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| Posted: | | | | A contribution has been made proposing removing the colon from the title. In my view, this would be incorrect.
Both this film and the 1959 film are based on Lew Wallace’s 1880 novel, "Ben-Hur: a Tale of the Christ." The full title of both films is "Ben-Hur: a Tale of the Christ".
If a change is to be made it should be to Ben-Hur with the original title recorded as Ben-Hur: a Tale of the Christ. There is no need to record the edition as "1925 Version".
I propose that the profile should be submitted as Ben-Hur with the original title recorded as Ben-Hur: a Tale of the Christ and that the 1925 Version be dropped. This would foillow the convention for the 1959 version in the database.
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| Dan W | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
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| Posted: | | | | There is no colon in the title in the film. | | | Dan | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote: There is no colon in the title. Every time you typed the title it was incorrect. The title is not displayed on the screen but that is the official title of of the film. |
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| Dan W | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting Telecine: Quote: Quoting Dan W:
Quote: There is no colon in the title in the film.
The title is not displayed on the screen but that is the official title of of the film. Really??? Here's a screen cap. | | | Dan | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
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| Posted: | | | | Telecine, the Contribution ois CORRECT you need to learn a little more about the history of film and and General Lew Wallace's Book.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote: Quoting Telecine:
Quote: Quoting Dan W:
Quote: There is no colon in the title in the film.
The title is not displayed on the screen but that is the official title of of the film.
Really???
Here's a screen cap.
The full title is not displayed on the screen. I maintain that the official title is Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ. |
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| Posted: | | | | Agree with Dan and Skip. Not sure about the edition being 1925 version, but the edition field is there to differentiate between different releases so IMO it is OK. (But I am not one that insists on editions coming from the front cover of the box as some here seem to do ) |
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| Posted: | | | | Your CONTRIBUTION is bogus and does not follow the Rules, telecine. Keep your opinion LOCAL.
You obviously have a problem with reading the screen.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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| Posted: | | | | Looking again one could argue the title is "Ben Hur: A Tale of the Christ" or "Ben Hur A Tale of the Christ" but NOT simply "Ben Hur" |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote: Agree with Dan and Skip.
Not sure about the edition being 1925 version, but the edition field is there to differentiate between different releases so IMO it is OK. (But I am not one that insists on editions coming from the front cover of the box as some here seem to do ) Rick: You set me up and I can' t resist so here's a poke in the ribs. Rick do you remember when I expressed concern about users and whether or not they could all read Roman Numerals. It's right there on the screen MCMXXV=WHAT? Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: Telecine, the Contribution ois CORRECT you need to learn a little more about the history of film and and General Lew Wallace's Book.
Skip Really? That is very presumptuous of you. Here are a couple of references to get you started: http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/52/benhur.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben-Hur http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0016641/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052618/combined http://www.filmsite.org/benh.html That is just the first page of google results that I can refer you to that are handy for everyone to reference. In every case the 1925 version is referenced as Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ. A Tale of the Christ is referred to as a subtitle and the film is based on Lew Wallace's novel, Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ. What have you got? | | | Last edited: by Telecine |
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| Posted: | | | | Let's see my own knowledge of General lew wallace and his work is all I need.
You list 5 sources, and 3 of those sources are from sites known NOT to be relied upon for accuracy. . Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote: Looking again one could argue the title is "Ben Hur: A Tale of the Christ" or "Ben Hur A Tale of the Christ" but NOT simply "Ben Hur" I would be happy personally with Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ but A Tale of the Christ is a subtitle. See http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/52/benhur.htm |
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| Dan W | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting Telecine: Quote: Quoting skipnet50:
Quote: Telecine, the Contribution ois CORRECT you need to learn a little more about the history of film and and General Lew Wallace's Book.
Skip
Really? That is very presumptuous of you. Here are a couple of references to get you started:
http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/52/benhur.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben-Hur
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0016641/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052618/combined
http://www.filmsite.org/benh.html
That is just the first page of google results that I can refer you to that are handy for everyone to reference.
In every case the 1925 version is referenced as Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ. A Tale of the Christ is referred to as a subtitle and the film is based on Lew Wallace's novel, Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ.
What have you got? I have an 1880 copy of the book. Here are a couple scans. Title Page Copyright Page Now, I have showed you the title from the film and the title from the book. What else do you need? | | | Dan | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: Let's see my own knowledge of General lew wallace and his work is all I need.
You list 5 sources, and 3 of those sources are from sites known NOT to be relied upon for accuracy. . Skip Skip, It is not easy to find reliable sources on the Internet as you would know. Even on your count, that leaves me with two sources that are consistent with three doubtful sources. Not conclusive I agree but I would like to discuss this based on some facts rather than emotion. I am not try to be difficult or troublesome. I don't believe that anyone can sustain an argument for why the edition sould be recorded as 1925 Version. I just don't see how the rules would allow for it. Someone has proposed removing the colon from the title. I haven't seen any source quoted for that. On the contrary, I have quoted sources that would tend to rebut the notion. Given that those sources suggest A Tale of the Christ is a subtitle would that not alone be suggestive that a colon should be used to seperate the two? | | | Last edited: by Telecine |
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