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When do we disk ID side 2? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just when I think I have the rules figured out, I make another blunder.  I recently submitted child IDs for a two disk set. To remove all ambiguity, it was for "The Best of Abbott and Costello Volume 1". Now, the configuration of this set is 8 movies spread over 2 disks. It's one of those Universal dual layer, double sided fiascos. The upshot is, two movies per side. My understanding was that we generate seperate disk IDs for individual sides as long as they contain discreetly different movies. A couple of folks are suggesting that I should use only two child profiles instead of the four I created. I went through my collection to see how this has been handled in the past and found: Mae West Glamour Collection, 2 disks, 4 children Marlene Dietrich Glamour Collection, 2 disks, 4 children Gary Cooper Franchise Collection, 2 disks, 4 children Carol Lombard Glamour Collection, 2 disks, 4 children John Wayne Franchise Collection, 2 disks, 3 children (Only 3 sides utilized) None of these profiles were my doing, simply what I had to download in order to get the complete information for these sets. So, my question is, how many child profiles should I be creating? Based on similar sets already stored in the database, I assumed 4 children. It's no problem for me to go back and readjust to two profiles, the hard work is over. I just want to get it right. I guess a followup question would be, if I did it wrong, does that mean we have to go back and fix all these other sets I've listed? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Just when I think I have the rules figured out, I make another blunder.
I recently submitted child IDs for a two disk set. To remove all ambiguity, it was for "The Best of Abbott and Costello Volume 1". Now, the configuration of this set is 8 movies spread over 2 disks. It's one of those Universal dual layer, double sided fiascos. The upshot is, two movies per side.
My understanding was that we generate seperate disk IDs for individual sides as long as they contain discreetly different movies. A couple of folks are suggesting that I should use only two child profiles instead of the four I created.
I went through my collection to see how this has been handled in the past and found:
Mae West Glamour Collection, 2 disks, 4 children
Marlene Dietrich Glamour Collection, 2 disks, 4 children
Gary Cooper Franchise Collection, 2 disks, 4 children
Carol Lombard Glamour Collection, 2 disks, 4 children
John Wayne Franchise Collection, 2 disks, 3 children (Only 3 sides utilized)
None of these profiles were my doing, simply what I had to download in order to get the complete information for these sets.
So, my question is, how many child profiles should I be creating? Based on similar sets already stored in the database, I assumed 4 children. It's no problem for me to go back and readjust to two profiles, the hard work is over. I just want to get it right. I guess a followup question would be, if I did it wrong, does that mean we have to go back and fix all these other sets I've listed? You would do it just like an 8 episode TV season. UPC to master, Disc ID for each side of a disc, and 2 episodes per ID. Works perfectly. | | | John
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | You would need to create 4 child profiles. Two titles per side, each with a unique disc I'd. Use dividers to separate cast and crew for each title. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Okay, so I did do it right. In that case, I'll continue to upload the child profiles. When I started getting "no" votes, I figured I was screwing things up and didn't want to pollute the database with a bunch of bogus profiles. |
| | Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 125 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Okay, so I did do it right. In that case, I'll continue to upload the child profiles. When I started getting "no" votes, I figured I was screwing things up and didn't want to pollute the database with a bunch of bogus profiles. Yes, I am so glad to see someone tackling this problem. The no-votes are really a reflection of the voting capabilities of DVD Profiler: voting only possible by those who added the titles into their profiles. Although many of the other Universal Franchise Collections have been properly formatted into separate side/child profiles, some of the voters of the Abbott and Costello series have been blockading against this for some reason. I hope we can get it through this time! Quoting Rifter: Quote:
You would do it just like an 8 episode TV season. UPC to master, Disc ID for each side of a disc, and 2 episodes per ID. Not to confuse the issue, but I thought the rules for TV series box sets are different from movie box sets insofar as TV series box sets are strictly one disc = one child? Movie Box Sets Rules Allow for separate child sides by saying: Quote:
Sets containing 2 films, one on each side of Dual-Sided DVD. > Create individual profiles for each movie in these Box Sets. Use individual UPCs if they are available or use Disc ID (read on a DVD-ROM) if not. TV Box Sets Rules make no mention of child sides: Quote:
Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required. Add these profiles to the box set contents of the parent profile. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quote:
Although many of the other Universal Franchise Collections have been properly formatted into separate side/child profiles, some of the voters of the Abbott and Costello series have been blockading against this for some reason. Considering that the first of these sets has been released well over 3 years ago and the child profiles were completely bare, this is a pretty extreme case of cutting off the nose to spite the face.  I just finally got sick of seeing these empty profiles all these years. I'm not thrilled to hear that it might be a struggle to get the other 3 sets cleaned up.  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No you did not do it right, according to you assignment of Disc Id data to the parent. The set has 4 Discs and it does NOT it has 2 Discs and Four SIDES.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
No you did not do it right, according to you assignment of Disc Id data to the parent. The set has 4 Discs and it does NOT it has 2 Discs and Four SIDES.
Children should be set up with dividers
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Actually, I really do appreciate the subtlety of the argument, skip, but I can't find any examples in the database where we are doing it the way you describe. I found numerous examples where we are doing a profile per side, as noted in my first post. Personally, I find the profile-per-side method almost counter intuitive, but it seems to be what we've adopted for things like MGM Midnite Movie double features, etc. The only thing that could make the situation worse is to sometimes use profile-per-side.
At the end of the day, I really don't care what the answer is. I just want my submissions to be correct and for there to be some consistency across profiles. If this is really going to cause grief I'll just keep the changes to myself and lock them down, but I think you might be in the minority on this one. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Has it occurered to you that a bunch of profiles are set up incorrectly. The Master profile should use Side A of Two-sided discs, otherwise as in the example you describe you are indicating that there are FOUR discs in the set instead of the correct TWO. You set up the children just right using dividers to separate the Two movies, I would suggest one SLIGHT addition to your Cast and Crew listings and that is simply to add Extra dividers for the Sides, imagine if there were multiple movies (more than two) on the disc the Side dividers help to define what is where.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
No you did not do it right, according to you assignment of Disc Id data to the parent. The set has 4 Discs and it does NOT it has 2 Discs and Four SIDES.
Skip Then all the profiles for box sets that have two titles on one double-sided disc are invalid according to your statement because the assignment of Disc Id data to the parent would show two discs when there is really only one. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip, the rules say to profile both sides of a disc if they contain different movies. Read the box set rules again. He did do it right. | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Erik: Sorry I don't see anything that indicates the parent should be handled as you describe, it's simply not rational. @ 8Ball you would be correct, and you won't find any that have beensubmitted by me that would follow the description. All this does is present misleading data to the database and users. Imagine yourself being a newb, and unfamiliar with profiler, we get a few of these  . you look at the profile and then you look at your set and you say, OK what's going on here, it says there should be FOUR DISCS and I see ONLY two. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Like I said, I appreciate your point, however we clearly create two profiles for a Midnite Movie double feature disk. Heck, the box set rule is explicit on this point. There's little difference between the newb seeing 4 disks but knowing there's only two, and the newb seeing 2 disks and knowing there's only one. My point is, if we're gonna do it that way, let's at least be consistent so the newb only has to learn this lesson once instead of a bunch of arcane conditions. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Who created that, I have some OLD ones that were set up in 2.4/2.5 that way because we did NOT have dividers, that may be what you are seeing. But now that we have dividers.....it's a new game.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Who created that, I have some OLD ones that were set up in 2.4/2.5 that way because we did NOT have dividers, that may be what you are seeing. But now that we have dividers.....it's a new game.
Skip I guess I'm at a loss. From the rules for box set it says (the bold is mine): Quote:
The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film. The main examples are:
Sets where each film is packaged individually, and held together in a package of some kind.
Sets where each film is on a separate disc, but not individually packaged. This includes gatefold Digipaks and 2-Disc sets in normal DVD cases.
Sets containing 2 films, one on each side of Dual-Sided DVD.
Create individual profiles for each movie in these Box Sets. Use individual UPCs if they are available or use Disc ID (read on a DVD-ROM) if not. As far as I know, these are the current rules. I wasn't aware of a new game. Not to be a smart ass, but if we're doing it differently than the rules say, where do we go to find this out? |
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