Hello.  I'm in need of wisdom and guidance this morning.

What actually are uncredited cast?  I've always assumed it means they're people in the main feature(s) in some way (ignoring issues relating to archive footage, doubles and modern special effects) who aren't credited on-screen at some point, but I can't find anything in the Rules that actually says anything like this.  If they're not named on-screen but are so on the sleeve, in a special feature or in an accompanying leaflet/booklet, do any of these examples make them uncredited?  If not, where do they have to come from to become uncredited?

I've seen lots of variations in where people seem to draw the line between credited and uncredited and I know I'm guilty of not being very consistent.  I know I've submitted cast in the past that haven't been named on-screen that I've not flagged as uncredited and these have been accepted.  (I've submitted a lot of cast details for several seasons of Spooks recently that have no on-screen credits, made it clear in the notes they came from a third party site (the BBC), not flagged any as uncredited and all have been accepted.)

Thanks.

As huskersports said, it's a box for someone who is in a film or TV show and is not in the opening and closing credits.

If you can provide documentation for their appearance when contributing, they should be added to the database. An example would be Robert De Niro in American Hustle playing Victor Tellegio. He isn't credited, but is's very clearly him. In this case, he goes at the end of the cast section with the 'uncredited' box checked. When I added, I provided a screenshot as evidence.

If there are several uncredited cast members, they are listed alphabetically by last name.

Further to the above, when you submit uncredited cast, you are asked to identify the source and the two options they give are another listing of the same movie, or spotting the actor yourself. You're not supposed to use other sources directly, though of course you can use such other sources to see where the actor is in the movie.

Where you can get away with other documentation is if you spot an actor in a movie but wish to back up your info somehow, e.g. providing a name. For example, for Blade Runner, there is a snake in the movie. When I submitted info on the snake, I used my knowledge of seeing the movie to confirm that the snake was in in, but the book Future Noir identified the snake specifically as Darling. So I was able to cite that as the source of Darling's name while still confirming that I personally saw Darling in the movie.

Quoting Rizor:

Quote:
We're contributing uncredited animals now?! 

Trigger's first appearance is in The Adventures of Robin Hood, uncredited, as Marian's horse.  The earlier Roy Rogers films don't have an onscreen credit for Trigger either, he only gets screen credit in the later films.

I even had to add a birth year for Trigger (1932) because there are at least 4 other animals with screen credit in other films (a cat, 2 dogs, and another horse) .

Quoting AndyEN:

Quote:
You're not supposed to use other sources directly, though of course you can use such other sources to see where the actor is in the movie.

Except for: "If there are no credits, the film's official site may be used as a source."

The question then is if these actors taken from an offical source should be marked as uncredited.

Quoting SpikyCactus:

Quote:
Quoting iPatsa:

Quote:
Quoting AndyEN:

Quote:
You're not supposed to use other sources directly, though of course you can use such other sources to see where the actor is in the movie.

Except for: "If there are no credits, the film's official site may be used as a source."

The question then is if these actors taken from an offical source should be marked as uncredited.

Yes, this is a good example where things feel a bit less clear.  I get the feeling people tend to not tick them as uncredited in these cases.

My thought process for compiling the cast list has been to include people who are credited on screen. If they are credited elsewhere, such as a website, then they are uncredited and submitted with that documentation.

Quoting iPatsa:

Quote:
Except for: "If there are no credits, the film's official site may be used as a source."

The question then is if these actors taken from an offical source should be marked as uncredited.

Yes, they should be marked as uncredited.  The referenced bullet point in the rules begins with the words, "If there are no credits", so by definition they would be uncredited.

---------------