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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 582 |
| Posted: | | | | I hope I'm not reopening and old can of worms here. I'm auditing the profile of a movie called "Music Box" directed by Costa-Gavras. He is credited in the opening credits with the dash (hyphen) but in the online DB he only exists as Costa//Gavras.
I searched the net and apparently his real name is Constantinos Gavras (Wikipedia). Not sure what do do here, should I put Constantinos Gavras as common name and Costa-Gavras in the "Credited as" ? If I do that, how my dozens of profiles could that potentially screw up ? | | | My 4x4 Club: Club FJ Cruiser Quebec DVDP Français: Forum DVD Profiler Français DVDCOL:DVD Collectors Online Video: LG RU-42PX10 Audio: Sony DreamSystem DAVFX100W |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Touti: Quote: I hope I'm not reopening and old can of worms here. I'm auditing the profile of a movie called "Music Box" directed by Costa-Gavras. He is credited in the opening credits with the dash (hyphen) but in the online DB he only exists as Costa//Gavras.
I searched the net and apparently his real name is Constantinos Gavras (Wikipedia). Not sure what do do here, should I put Constantinos Gavras as common name and Costa-Gavras in the "Credited as" ? If I do that, how my dozens of profiles could that potentially screw up ? Costa is his first name. Short for Constantinos, like Billy is short for William, or Ed for Edward. Enter it just the way it appears in the credits. Forget about all this 'common name' hooey. The dash is an anomaly. | | | John
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: The dash is an anomaly. I thought it was a hyphen . | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection | | | Last edited: by Bad Father |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 555 |
| Posted: | | | | I don't think the "-" is an anomaly, I've seen him credited as Costa-Gavras in other movies, but I don't remember which right now. Anyway, I would credit this as Costa-Gavras in the First Name field and leave middle and last name fields blank. I would leave the common name function alone and just credit him like he is listed in the credits.
Here's another example of him being called Costa-Gavras: http://www.sestoidee.it/visualizza_news.asp?id=363 | | | Last edited: by Behemot |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 582 |
| Posted: | | | | I googled him and everywhere he is referred to as Costa-Gavras (It's a hyphenized dash, and no, it is not a dashed hyphen which is a completely different thing ) I was gonna put Costa-Gavras// but I doubt it will pass the automatic screening. | | | My 4x4 Club: Club FJ Cruiser Quebec DVDP Français: Forum DVD Profiler Français DVDCOL:DVD Collectors Online Video: LG RU-42PX10 Audio: Sony DreamSystem DAVFX100W |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Check the profile for "Missing" (025192-418327). He's credited as Costa-Gavras// there. | | | ...James
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| Posted: | | | | Brave. | | | ...James
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| | Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 137 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm going to risk being crucified but... As far as I know Costa is not his first name, nor short for Constantinos. His is a composited last name, back in the 60's he used to be credited as Constantin Costa-Gavras, later on he only used his last name in his credits. The following is a snippet from a 1997 Costa-Gavras interview: "For a man who makes heavy-handed, politically charged movies, Costa-Gavras is a very elusive interview.In San Francisco last month promoting "Mad City," a stark condemnation of the current era of exploitive journalism, he seemed a little leery of spending a day trapped in a hotel room with reporters and answered questions about his movie quite cautiously.Of course, it might have just been me, since the first thing I hit him with was "What happened to your first name?"Until "Mad City," he had been known as Constantin Costa-Gavras, and my question might have sounded a little accusative, like I thought he was just trying to be cool."Why do we need to have a first name?" he frowned, and I began to think we were getting off on the wrong foot."For the rest of the interview: http://www.splicedonline.com/features/costa-gavras.html | | | Funny, these cookies don't taste anything like Girl Scouts.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 582 |
| Posted: | | | | Wikipedia: Constantin Gavras Encyclopedia.com Quote:
Constantine Costa-Gavras Print Digg del.icio.us [orig. Konstantinos Gavras] (born Feb. 12, 1933, Loutra-Iraias, Greece) Greek-French film director. He left Greece to study in Paris, where he became an assistant to filmmakers such as René Clair. He directed his first film, The Sleeping Car Murders, in 1966. His drama of political assassination, Z (1968, Academy Award), brought him international fame. He later directed political thrillers such as The Confession (1970), State of Siege (1972), Missing (1982, Academy Award), and Mad City (1997). He became president of the Cinémathèque Française in 1982.
Encyclopedia Britannica Online Quote:
born Feb. 12, 1933, Loutra-Iraias, Greece
byname of Konstantin Gavras Greek-born naturalized French motion-picture director noted for films that have been both political arguments and entertainments (usually as mysteries or thrillers). He was perhaps more overtly political than any other major filmmaker in history.
The son of a Russian-born father and a Greek mother, Costa-Gavras left Athens in 1952 to go to Paris, …
It seems to me that although he prefers to be called and credited as costa-gavras, his name is actually Konstantin Gavras | | | My 4x4 Club: Club FJ Cruiser Quebec DVDP Français: Forum DVD Profiler Français DVDCOL:DVD Collectors Online Video: LG RU-42PX10 Audio: Sony DreamSystem DAVFX100W | | | Last edited: by Touti |
| Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 137 |
| Posted: | | | | Fair enough, I stand corrected. Good job! | | | Funny, these cookies don't taste anything like Girl Scouts.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: Costa is his first name. Short for Constantinos, like Billy is short for William, or Ed for Edward. Enter it just the way it appears in the credits. Forget about all this 'common name' hooey. The dash is an anomaly. So he should ignore the credits? What ever happened to 'as credited'? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I have to agree with Unicus. If the On Screen credit is Costa-Gravas...so be it. But I'll bet Unicus knew i would say that.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 555 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Touti: Quote: I googled him and everywhere he is referred to as Costa-Gavras (It's a hyphenized dash, and no, it is not a dashed hyphen which is a completely different thing )
I was gonna put Costa-Gavras// but I doubt it will pass the automatic screening. Why wouldn't this pass the screening? If you explain in your notes that this is how he's credited, then it shouldn't be declined. You've now chosen Costa Gavras as his common name - but do you know for a fact that he's ever been credited like this in any of his movies, and that this is how he is commonly credited? I disagree completely with your using this as a common name based on those sources, and especially since Ken hasn't stated how he wants us to use the common name function. He should be contributed as credited, which is Costa-Gavras/ / When in doubt, do NOT use "Common name"/"credited as", just use what's in the actual credits - then you can't go wrong! | | | Last edited: by Behemot |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Quoting Rifter:
Quote: Costa is his first name. Short for Constantinos, like Billy is short for William, or Ed for Edward. Enter it just the way it appears in the credits. Forget about all this 'common name' hooey. The dash is an anomaly.
So he should ignore the credits? What ever happened to 'as credited'? With all the toing and froing, I didn't realize the credits actually used a dash. Personally, the guy is a loon and its an affectation - must be a French thing or something. Anyway, if the dash is there, then that is what should be entered. But I was right about the name. He's been around forever and I've seen him interviewed in the past where he answered to Costa as a first name. Go figure. | | | John
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