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2 Contributions denied because of BY (even though I didn't add them)
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCubbyUps
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I just had 2 contributions declined because the profiles included BYs that were because someone else contributed another profile that affected these.

All I changed was the Episode Dividers and clearly noted that I didn't do the BY and that they were downloaded in another profile. Or with Xena added Lucy & Renee to each episode.



These are the 2 that were declined:

Sledge Hammer!: Season One
View contribution notes 013131-240696 Jul 17, 2007 Yes: 25  No: 0 Declined
Changed '-' to ',' in episode dividers since that is the standard. Don't know about the BY's. All I know is that I didn't do them and must have been downloaded in other profiles.


Please use birth years only to distinguish between otherwise identical cast and crew. New birth year submissions must be documented.
Xena: Warrior Princess: Season One: Deluxe Collector's Edition
View contribution notes 013131-254891 Jul 17, 2007 Yes: 8  No: 0 Declined
Added Lucy Lawless and Renee O'Connor to each episode. Kevin Smith birth year already in database. I think it's to separate the Xena Kevin Smith from the director/actor Kevin Smith best know for Clerks and Chasing Amy. Bruce Campbell (1958) was not done by me. Already in database, but I'm not sure which profile added the BY to him or why.


So am I know supposed to go back and search my database for these actors and look up all of their films and try to find the previous contribution that added the BY.


I have a strong feeling that my contribution for Friends: The Complete Ninth Season
View contribution notes 085393-366124 Jul 20, 2007 Yes: 31  No: 0 Received
Fixed episode divider numbers 1-9. Removed '0' in front. Now allows for complete episode names for #5, #7, Don't know where the BY for Gregory White in episode #3 came from. Must have downloaded a profile that has his BY in it. I checked my DB and he's listed in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Ellen, Home Improvement, L.A. Confidential and Resident Evil: Apocalypse (if that helps any). All I know is that I didn't add his BY, someone else did and was approved and is in database.

will also be declined because it includes BY that I didn't add.

I don't know what I should do. Should I just remove all the BY for these and resubmit or just not contribute profiles that include BYs anymore.
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remove the BY is the easy way, or else look what other profile has those actors with BY and state those profiles as reason for BY.
Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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Sigh... Those BY's are like a virus; if you accept one of them all corresponding names are affected in you local database. Therefor I never accept these profiles and I wish the system would ignore them if I wanted to contribute an update, because I hate to add or remove them for that.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCubbyUps
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It took me about 20 minutes to search through the database and look through the contribution notes to find out who added the BYs for Bruce Campbell and Kevin Smith.

Just seems like a waste of time to re-validate and confirm BYs that were already approved into the database.

Now I have to go back and do the same thing for SledgeHammer and the Friends season set.
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How does this happen? I don't know the inner workings of the Database BUT I suspect that what happens is that when someone finds a reason for a birth year they EDIT the Cast member to include a Birth Year (YOB). This will cause all films featuring that cast member to change including any with the "other cast member" which they sought to distinguish against therby defeating the object. I hope that what should happen is that they CREATE NEW cast member(s) with the DOB entry and change all relevant films to this new cast member(s). This would leave any which have not been audited and documented to show which DOB crew member it should mean just with the name.

This has the benefit of keeping the Data accurate but loses functionaliy until all roles are changed. If it does work, as I hope, then the screeners will have more work to ensure the master entity in the Database has not been edited to change the YOB I have started a Poll to see if others agree with this approach. It should mean that if you contribue a profile with a YOB added then you will have been the one who changed it.
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Great idea Graveworm.
I've always edited cast & crew to add BYs in the past, so it's definitely worth a go creating new additions to see if this solves the problem.
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I resubmitted the Sledgehammer profile and noted the following in my notes:

Changed '-' to ',' in episode dividers since that is the standard.


Notes about BY for Brenda Strong and Jeff Doucette.

These were not done by me, but I assume that they were done in the following profile.

Desperate Housewives: Season One #786936280326

Ron's contribution was approved on March 20,2007 in which he states "and alot of actor birth years (taken from Wikipedia)"

This was initially declined, then within the same minute was approved.
Since the BYs were already approved I have left them alone.

And yet I have a NO vote because "You should remove these birth years, as there is not more than 1 actor with those names. The rules are clear on this. Mistakenly approved last time."

Now I don't know what to do. I went back and noted where the BYs came from. It's not my fault if it was approved, even if it was in error (which I'm not sure of). As far as I know, I was to note where the BYs came from, not to go and validate if they are correct or not.

The rules state:
"If the birth year change is due to an accepted change to another profile, indicate that."

That is exactly what I did, I indicated that the BY is due to an accepted profile.


I am really getting mad at these BY's. I am thinking of not even contributing any cast profiles anymore, it's just to much bother dealing with these BY issues.
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CubbyUps,
The problem I had, and I voted No on the newest Sledgehammer (Sorry), is that I did a full Google search on both birth dates. I only found one Brenda Strong, as an actor anywhere. And the only other Jeff Doucette who was in show business was a set designer/decorator not an actor. Can anyone show me different results?

Also I always look at Wikepedia as a source as good as "I heard this from a friend who heard this from a friend of the cousin of the person who saw this happen.  Not that you sited this but the other person who did the other profile.

Bobb
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In my opinion that is still a bad no vote as his contribution is following the rules 100%

Ken not only said on these forums a few different times if a birth year is from a previously accepted profile to just let that be known... which he did. and has it in the rules to do just that... which  again he did.

I personally will never remove a birth year from a profile... because no matter what a google search or other research has shown me... I could never be 100% sure.

I have had to put that comment about the birth year not being my work many times... and any time I got a decline all I ever had to do is resubmit it... make sure it is 100% clear I didn't add it... maybe put that in bold so it is sure to be seen. And then it would always go through after that.

As long as he is following the rules completely... which he is... a no vote is just wrong.
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I voted No to this contribution, because I think the correct thing would be to remove the 2 birth years mentioned. When they were added in the first place they were not documented to be necessary to differentiate between two actors with the same name, and after a quick search on multiple movie sites on the web it's easy to see that the birth years are indeed NOT necessary, like bobb said in his post.

To quote the rules:
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Enter birth years only when necessary to differentate between two actors with the same name.

This is the purpose of the birth years - to differentiate between actors with the same name. Therefore, it should ONLY be used for this, and should not be added for actors with a "unique" name.

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When submitting a contribution that adds a birth year to one or more credits, list justification in the contribution notes.

This was NOT done in the first place, all it said was "and alot of actor birth years (taken from Wikipedia)", which is NOT a valid justification, since it doesn't say anything about the birth years being needed to differentiate between actors with the same name.

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If the birth year change is due to an accepted change to another profile, indicate that.

In this case, the birth years DO come from an accepted profile, but they have NOT been justified and there is NO need for them, which is a violation of the first 2 parts of the rules on this subject.

I don't see why you can't just remove the birth years and re-contribute? There is no need for them, and it's obvious they were added without the rules being followed in the first place (by the one who contributed them in the first place).

Both bobb and I have found the same thing - there is no need for this data. Anyone else doing a search will get the same result. I think the attitude that "since it's already there it can't be removed" is dangerous, as there were a lot of unnecessary birth years approved in the early days of 3.0, and one should be allowed to remove them when they're shown to be superfluous.
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I just have to disagree... and stand behind what I said.he did nothing to break the rules... so in my eyes... as I said in the very first line... In my opinion he did not break the rules... he followed the rules 100% so once again In My Opinion a no vote is wrong.
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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I just have to disagree... and stand behind what I said.he did nothing to break the rules... so in my eyes... as I said in the very first line... In my opinion he did not break the rules... he followed the rules 100% so once again In My Opinion a no vote is wrong.

...and I respect your right to disagree! I've voiced my opinion, and you've voiced yours. I can certainly see your point, and I don't mean the No vote as an attack against CubbyUps in any way, I just feel that this particular interpretation of the rules will lead to 2 unnecessary birth years being propagated in the online database, which I try to avoid by voting No.

Anyway, CubbyUps provided good contribution notes, and I provided as thorough an explanation in my No vote as I could, so it's up to the screeners to decide now.
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What???
You can't agree to disagree! Remember where you are! 
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Quoting northbloke:
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What???
You can't agree to disagree! Remember where you are! 

 
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Quoting northbloke:
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What???
You can't agree to disagree! Remember where you are! 

LOL... yes... some of us can just agree to disagree. I personally am more then happy with the ability to state my opinion on the matter without trying to force the subject... not that anyone here would do such a thing! 
Pete
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Dagnabit!  I've got a screenshot that says the answer is difinitively....ulp, wrong thread. 

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