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case type of box set vs. digipack
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantrvlier
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This must be discussed before, but I couldn't find a topic. I couldn't find a clear answer in the rules as well.

I have submitted a change to a box set (The Complete Blackadder, AEN 7-321931-934091). This box can be described as a carton box containing a digipak with discs for all seasons. This digipack folds out like a big '+' shape (not a long big '----' shape or a book type shape)

I was always under the impression that the box set (parent profile) has as case type 'box set' (unless it is a special case like fe. the Alien head for the Alien movies)  and the child profile have the type of box they are in (digipack, keep case etc.)

Am I mistaken? Are the 'No' voters right for saying that the box set profile itself should have as case type 'digipack'? In that case: when is a case type set to 'box set'?
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Am I mistaken? Are the 'No' voters right for saying that the box set profile itself should have as case type 'digipack'? In that case: when is a case type set to 'box set'?


I suspect it the age old discussion of what actually IS a boxset case type.

AIUI some people consider a boxset only applicable to a "slipcase containing a number of separate cases/keep cases".
Others consider a boxset any type of slipcase.

FWIW I think a slipcase around a digipak still makes it a digipak purely because otherwise (near enough) ALL digipaks would be in the database as boxsets because providing a digipak without some sort of sleeve to hold it shut is practically unheard of because it would be stupid.
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I have submitted a change to a box set (The Complete Blackadder, AEN 7-321931-934091). This box can be described as a carton box containing a digipak with discs for all seasons. This digipack folds out like a big '+' shape (not a long big '----' shape or a book type shape)

If the digipaks are slid into, after being folded together, into another box that looks a Slip case as shown in the Pinned: Case Types With Images thread, then the parent profile gets the Case type Box Set. After all, the parent profile refers to the "shell"; which is the Skip case.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhevanw
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I went through my entire collection to bring my database up-to-date and submit corrections where applicable. This boxset-thing was indeed something that bothered me. And I hate myself for not having written down all conclusions, since I also often needed to resort to the forum to figure things out.

From what I remember, you only use BoxSet as case type for the parent, if the children are packaged separately. E.g. The Godfather Collection is a box set containing 4 digipak children. In most cases, you only  have one huge digipak (e.g. Alien Quadrilogy, X-Files seasons, etc..) and therefore that parent is a Digipak not Boxset.
So in your case, the No voters would be correct, the parent is still a Digipak (this also in line with Voltaire's comment that Digipaks always have a slipcase for keeping them closed).
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If the digipaks are slid into, after being folded together, into another box that looks a Slip case as shown in the Pinned: Case Types With Images thread, then the parent profile gets the Case type Box Set. After all, the parent profile refers to the "shell"; which is the Skip case.


To be honest, that sticky thread does not clearly confirm what you say here. Basically you can have two interpretations:
1. If you consider a digipak-book as being multiple cases, then you could use the "Box Set (Slip Case)" example, and the parent would thus be a Boxset. Note that the example is a box set of keep cases, where everyone agrees that the parent is a Boxset.
2. You can also consider the digipak-book as a single case, then the Slip Case would follow the "Slip Cover (Sleeve)" example which means that you ignore that sleeve and use the type within: Digipak.

I think the second one is the right interpretation. All my boxsets are conform this rule and they were all voted Yes (and this explains the No votes for rvlier).

PS: I am getting increasingly frustrated with the rules not undergoing any clarifications and the forum being the only place to get the right answers, resulting in the same questions repeating over and over . Maybe we need a Wiki for more elaborate rules with many examples.
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Voltaire53 was absolutely right! This is the age-old confusion between "case type" and "profile type". If the "profile type" of a certain entry in your database is "box set", it doesn't automatically mean that the "case type" is also "box set"...

"Case type" only refers to the actual packaging. This 'Blackadder'-set (which I actually own, by the way) is in a digipack. So, that's what goes into the "case type" field. Regardless of the case type, the rules do indeed allow you to set up this profile as a "box set", with separate child profiles for each of the four series included in the set. So once again: while the "profile type" may indeed be considered a "box set", the "case type" field has nothing to do with that - it only refers to the packaging.
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BTW, is it safe to assume that you also only use the 'box set' case type for box set profiles ? I.e. you cannot have a 'box set' case type without it having child profiles. Conversely having child profiles does NOT mean the profile has 'box set' case type (but that is what you were already saying ).
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PS: I am getting increasingly frustrated with the rules not undergoing any clarifications and the forum being the only place to get the right answers, resulting in the same questions repeating over and over .

This I agree with - the rules should be updated more regularly. But the rules are in fact quite clear on this. On case type, they say: "Specify the type of packaging in which the DVD is released." There is no mention whatsoever of making an exception for box sets, so I don't understand why this keeps coming up every now and then.
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BTW, is it safe to assume that you also only use the 'box set' case type for box set profiles ? I.e. you cannot have a 'box set' case type without it having child profiles. Conversely having child profiles does NOT mean the profile has 'box set' case type (but that is what you were already saying ).

No, I don't agree. Sure you can have a set for which 'box set' is the "case type", but doesn't have any child profiles. I have dozens - all TV shows. From the rules on TV-on-DVD: "Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required." I usually don't use child profiles for TV shows, and as such, I have lots of "box sets" without any child profiles - all perfectly within the rules.

Again: don't confuse "profile type" and "case type". While the term "box set" can apply to both, they remain quite different things.
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Tim, aren't you now confusing boxset as profile vs case type yourself ?
Surely the X-Files are Digipak case types, not Boxsets ?!

Edit: now I can see some examples though... E.g. Bones would be a Box Set: it is a box with individual slim keepkases. If you don't add those as children (which I don't either), you effectively have a Box Set case type for a profile without children.
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Edit: now I can see some examples though... E.g. Bones would be a Box Set: it is a box with individual slim keepkases. If you don't add those as children (which I don't either), you effectively have a Box Set case type for a profile without children.

That's what I meant, exactly. The case type of 'Bones' would be "box set", but I wouldn't add any child profiles. It's all quite simple when you realise that "case type" really only reflects the actual packaging, and not the way a profile is set up. I may choose NOT to add child profiles to 'Bones', while someone else might add them. The different ways in which we set up our profile - both allowed by the rules - doesn't change the packaging it comes in.
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This I agree with - the rules should be updated more regularly. But the rules are in fact quite clear on this. On case type, they say: "Specify the type of packaging in which the DVD is released." There is no mention whatsoever of making an exception for box sets, so I don't understand why this keeps coming up every now and then.


Personally, I don't think the rules are clear at all in this respect. And in fact, for me it has nothing to do with the confusion between Boxset profiles and Boxset case type. We all know what a Boxset profile is: it is one with child profiles.
The Boxset case type is definitely more confusing, particularly for those Boxset profiles in which all children are packaged together as in the example of rvlier. The disks are contained in one type of container, while that container may still have a slip case/cover around it.
And frankly, from your answers, I *still* don't know whether rvlier's case is now a Boxset case type or a Digipak case type, because what he has in his hands has both a box and a digipak-book .
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And frankly, from your answers, I *still* don't know whether rvlier's case is now a Boxset case type or a Digipak case type, because what he has in his hands has both a box and a digipak-book .

Well, I have it in my hands right now, and if this isn't a clear example of a digipak, I don't know what is...

I understand that you get confused because there's a slipcase/cover around it - but don't nearly ALL digipaks come in some sort of slipcover? Consider this: a single movie, in a single keepcase, with a slipcover around it... Surely you wouldn't use "box set" for that? Then why the confusion when what's inside the slipcover is not a keepcase, but a digipak? It's the same thing, IMHO.
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OK, I think I understand now. So because all seasons are together in one digipack, the parent is this as well. If all seasons where sepearate (either digipack, keepcase, snappers) it is a box set?

Seems logical. I wouldn't set a case type to boxset if you have multiple discs in one keepcase (with one movie or season) with a slipcase, which is basically the same.

Oh, and yes, I have withdrawn the contribution to fix it.
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OK, I think I understand now. So because all seasons are together in one digipack, the parent is this as well. If all seasons where sepearate (either digipack, keepcase, snappers) it is a box set?

Correct!
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhevanw
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Ok, then it is indeed as I thought it was: only use Boxset as case type when it's a box designed to keep individual other boxes together... .
So I think ya_shin is wrong too then...
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