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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | There are a bunch of contributions pending where a user is changing some Buffy profile cast entries from Anthony Head [Anthony Stewart Head] to Anthony Stewart Head, saying that Anthony Stewart Head is the common name. However I'm not convinced. At first look at the CLT Anthony Stewart Head is a clear winner, but 15 pages of those results are just 1 thing: Buffy the Vampire Slayer. So how are we counting TV series in CLT results? According to the CLT Anthony (Stewart) Head is credited in the following titles:
Anthony Stewart Head
NYPD Blue Buffy 1 Buffy 2 Buffy 3 Buffy 4 Buffy 5 Buffy 6 Buffy 7 Doctor Who Enemy at the Door I'll Be There Little Britain Manchild Pancho Villa Persuasion Repo! Spooks True Horror
Anthony Head
Lady Chatterley's Lover Panco Villa Bergerac Imagine Me and You A Prayer for the Dying Best of So Graham Norton Comic Strip The Detectives Doctor Who Doctor Who: Infinite Quest Fat Slags Highlander (series) Graham Norton: For Your Pleasure Hotel Babylon The Invisibles Persuasion Jonathan Creek Little Britain 1 Little Britain 2 Little Britain 3 Little Britain Abroad Little Britain: Live The Magic Door Manchild Merlin Monarch of the Glen My Family New Tricks Royce Scoop Sensitive Skin Sparkle Secret Army
Even taking into account the errors in the database, I think Anthony Head is the more common name if you count titles, but taking profiles into account, 7 years in Buffy counts for a lot - or should it?
What does everyone else think? | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,029 |
| Posted: | | | | AFAIK the ASH credit is used only in US productions.
Spooks is a British show that doesn't have any credits, the credit is most likely taken from the facts files on the DVD, but I doubt he is listed as ASH there.
Personally, I would use ASH, because Buffy is (and probably will be) his most prominent credit, but the CLT points toward AH, so that should probably be used for contributions. | | | Matthias |
| Registered: October 13, 2008 | Posts: 260 |
| Posted: | | | | I would say Anthony Head due to more titles. |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | That's the way I understand it as well. He uses ASH in the US (maybe there's another Anthony Head in SAG?) and AH in the UK. Obviously when we're just talking about films decoding the CLT is relatively easy, but how should we take into account TV series, do we count it as only 1 title, or each season as a title, or some other way? |
| Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,805 |
| Posted: | | | | Would Buffy simply count as one title, or would Buffy could as seven titles for all seven seasons (eight if you include the series boxset, nine if you include things like the Buffy/Spike disc released, ten if you count the Buffy/Angel disc released etc. etc.)? Don't have a clue. Personal preference would be Anthony Stewart Head, as the only titles I own with him in it are the Buffy Seasons, I know however personal preference plays absolutely no part in this what-so-ever. I voted yes on a bunch of the contributions after quickly checking the CLT counts and seeing Anthony Stewart Head as the clear winner for the results, but didn't do any futher investigation. Again, I'm inclinded to personally stick with Anthony Stewart Head, and either results I'll probably change 'em all in my local, but I guess if the CLT shows Anthony Head with more titles (if they can be verified) then I guess that's what we go with. | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | My personal opinion is that each unique name for an actor in a TV series should count as an entry.
For example, for the first few seasons of Star Trek Deep Space Nine, Alexander Siddig was credited as Siddig El Fadil. Following my opinion, each of those would count as 1 entry for each variation of the name.
As I said though, that is only my opinion & not necessarily the official way to do things. As there's nothing (that I could see) in the rules about the CLT & TV series, it's probably every entry counts as one. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | I think I agree with Forget. Let's say an actor does 3 films and one TV series that lasts for 10 seasons. Should the 3 films be given more weight than the one TV series? I don't think so. In my opinion, each episode should be counted as an individual credit. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,805 |
| Posted: | | | | Just thinking about something that applies to this kind of situation... I've also run across crew credits (at least) where the name changes within a season as well.
A couple of months ago, I did a full audit for the early 90's series of Dark Shadows.
Sound Re-Recording Mixer Edward F. Suski worked on episodes 2-12.
For episodes 2 & 3, he's credited as Ed Suski, and then from episodes 4-12 he's credited as Edward F. Suski.
BOTH credits would legitimately be counted, would they not? Even though they come from the same season? They're both counted in the CLT results. (I used common name of Edward F. Suski at the time, because even though Ed Suski comes out higher in the CLT counts, he's got about 18 credits that all fall under the same variation of three television series... so at the time I guess I was only counting those as one unique entry each, although with this discussion, that might not hold up anymore...).
I know I've run into the problem on more than one occasion as well. Also recently submitted a new Canadian Locality profile for Popular Season One.
In that season, there's a sound crew member that's credited two different ways in the 22 episodes, and had a common name different to both credits (can't remember if he was actually credited under the common name though).
So really, when you think about it, there are CLT counts that actually break down into almost Eposidic numbers even though the CLT doesn't reflect that (as it only counts titles which would contain the specific episodes). | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. | | | Last edited: by Merrik |
| Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,805 |
| Posted: | | | | Or does the CLT count actual episode credits?
Like when you click on Buffy The Vampire Slayer: The First Season: Disc One, and he's credited four times, does the CLT credit the actual four credits, or just the single credit for the Disc One?
Either way, if all this is the case, then my opinion strongly sways to the common name of Anthony Stewart Head.
If you break down all the seasons of Buffy into the actual sets, and then the individual discs contained within that set, Anthony Stewart Head would have far more credits than Anthony Head (and if we break it down into episodes... he'd have a TON more).
Least that's how my thinking works. | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. | | | Last edited: by Merrik |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | It would be interestiing to know if it counts number of credits or just titles. I used the CLT to look up Alexander Siddig and, if you click on one of the DS9 credits, he is listed multiple times. Whether or not all those are counted is the question. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 950 |
| Posted: | | | | I've been debating this since the contribution was listed...To me, Anthony Head is the most used named...it's what he goes by, it seems, everywhere but Buffy. Buffy ran 7 seasons. All seasons have been broken down into disc profiles as well, plus several other region editions as well, not to mention some discs, it looks like, that are best of episodes.
Which has more weight? The longer list of things he's done as Anthony Head or the shorter one that is under Stewart Head?
I'm on the side of Anthony Head. To me, if feels like Stewart Head is getting a lot more weight because the same credit is being used several times over wheres as Head is on single titles/profiles, rather than multiple profiles that Buffy is.
I've been putting off voting because technically, the contributer is in the right...there are more profiles for Stewart Head, but taking a look at CLU, more individual titles are for Head only.
My 2 cents... | | | Lori |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Even my Buffy profiles uses Anthony Head as the common name... | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
| Registered: April 17, 2007 | Posts: 771 |
| Posted: | | | | I would count an actor once per TV series, so I go with AH, though I didn't vote on the profile change since I didn't see this covered anywhere in the rules. | | | |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Definitely Anthony Head. There are a HUGE numbers of different titles in which he's credited as such, and only a very few credits as Anthony Stewart Head. The lists shown in the original post are very clear. Additionally - not that it really matters for our purposes, but still interesting to note - his official website confirms that's what he chooses to go by. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: August 4, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,440 |
| Posted: | | | | Even if we don't count every single episode, with one credit per season I think that Anthony Stewart Head could be the actor's common name. | | | Updated List of Accepted Birth Years |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Following Kluge's suggestion I've split Buffy into seasonal titles, but to be fair I've done the same to Little Britain. I still think the AH title list could end up bigger than the ASH list. The problem is because of the way we enter TV series into the database, each individual profile is counted as a separate title. So a 6 disc season boxset would count to the CLT as 7 separate entries.
Also, should we count episode compilation discs as separate titles or as part of the TV series? | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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