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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | As I said in the other thread, there is no answer to this question. As the OP pointed out, we have people doing it both ways. Without some sort of direction from Ken, we will continue to have people do it both ways regardless of any poll results. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,807 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: As I said in the other thread, there is no answer to this question. As the OP pointed out, we have people doing it both ways. Without some sort of direction from Ken, we will continue to have people do it both ways regardless of any poll results. Correct, but it seems to me it's turning out into a feature request: let the CLT count Original Titles. | | | -- Enry |
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote: Quoting RaymondG:
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It should not be too hard to build the CLT on original titles instead of titles I assume.
I would agree with you. One problem, though, is that there are profiles with localized titles but with an empty Original Title field. True. As with all things DVDP, in the end we rely on correct and complete data entry. But I think that although imperfect, it's as close as we can get. |
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Registered: July 7, 2007 | Posts: 284 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote: Quoting RaymondG:
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It should not be too hard to build the CLT on original titles instead of titles I assume.
I would agree with you. One problem, though, is that there are profiles with localized titles but with an empty Original Title field. In those cases the "logic" could assume that title=original title. This would not be 100% watertight but it will gain a higher validity then leaving out profiles with no original title. | | | My DVD's
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Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,807 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RaymondG: Quote: Quoting EnryWiki:
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It should not be too hard to build the CLT on original titles instead of titles I assume.
I would agree with you. One problem, though, is that there are profiles with localized titles but with an empty Original Title field.
In those cases the "logic" could assume that title=original title. This would not be 100% watertight but it will gain a higher validity then leaving out profiles with no original title. Right. Besides, the Original Title shouldn't be too hard to enter, where it's missing. | | | -- Enry |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | The actual number of different titles. Whether we call them "original" titles, "distinct" titles or whatever doesn't matter to me - as long as it's clear that's what we're after. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,366 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: as long as it's clear that's what we're after. We're after the "Most credited form". I thought you would know this by now. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 940 |
| Posted: | | | | I too voted Other. Film Credits/Distinct Titles/Original Title or what ever we want to call it will give the most accurate results by nullifying the numerous profiles that have IMDB data in the credits. But, until Ken makes a command decision regarding this, we will have common names coming from profile count or title count in the CLT, which I am fairly certain will result in a lot of common names changing as more and more correct credited as data gets entered. | | | Kevin |
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Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,805 |
| Posted: | | | | I voted other as well. It's not just the results, it's the breakdown of the results that you're handed that should really be the deciding factor. An actor could be listed in 25 titles and 100 profiles, but those 25 titles and those 100 profiles could all simply be the same film. You could search for someone and get results of 38 titles and 138 profiles, but maybe 10 of those titles are the same, and you have that specific title in front of you, and the actor you're searching for isn't credited the way the results from the CLT are showing you they are. That kind of null and voids those 10 titles and however many profiles. In my research for Brandy/Brandy Norwood, Brandy Norwood is listed in at least 9 different title variations for I Still Know What You Did Last Summer, when her credit for the film is Brandy. Those 9 different title variations, produce at least 14 different profiles. Just by looking at the CLT results, one wouldn't realize those credits are inaccurate. It also appears that a great deal of entries for her, have been mined from IMDB data, which no one around here wants to see. All in all, in my opinion, and I've already ranted about this elsewhere... , the CLT results at the moment borderline on useless for an insanely large amount of people entered into the system. The resulting expectations of how much work one has to put into finding the correct results, also make the task of contributing very daunting in some cases. | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Count me as one who is against this original title idea. I get where you guys are going with this, but you are making an assumption that a given movie can only have one credit sequence, regardless of location. I've lost count of the number of titles where this thinking was incorrect. | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Different credit sequences are relevant only if the name of the actor in question is spelled differently, and I still think that in the vast majority of cases this will NOT be the case.
Moreover, I'm curious how YOU would then propose to get more accurate CLT results. | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: I've lost count of the number of titles where this thinking was incorrect. I remember about three or four specific examples mentioned here in the forums over the last few years. There will always be an exception to the rule - that goes for just about anything. In the grand scheme of things, though, those few cases are fairly insignificant. |
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Registered: July 7, 2007 | Posts: 284 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting mdnitoil:
Quote: I've lost count of the number of titles where this thinking was incorrect. I remember about three or four specific examples mentioned here in the forums over the last few years. There will always be an exception to the rule - that goes for just about anything. In the grand scheme of things, though, those few cases are fairly insignificant. Indeed, this can not be more then a miniscule fraction of the total and is therefore neglectable and dismissable as an exception. | | | My DVD's
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 940 |
| Posted: | | | | When there different credits for an actor for a single film title, those credits will cancel each other out when counting the total films. For example, if John Q. Actor is has a total of 10 films, and 7 are credited as John Q. Actor, while 3 are John Actor, and one of those 7 also has a John Actor version of the credits, both name variants get a +1 for that 1 film title, so it would look like there were 11 films rather than 10. But the total would be 7 to 4 which would still make J/Q/A the most credited form.
Since this is such an extremely rare occurrence in the totality of films, I really don't see how this could be much of a problem determining what the correct most credited form is. If for some odd reason, if a actor has only 1 film title with verified different actual credits, we would fall back to the number of profiles to pick a winner. | | | Kevin |
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