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Additional MakeUp Artist allowed? |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: Quoting surfeur51:
Quote: From Oxford dictionary: Yes, thank you. #2 fits quite nicely.
--------------- I thought English was your language. Tell me in which language I have to translate #2 for you to understand it. | | | Images from movies |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting Lewis_Prothero:
Quote: And this is based on what exactly? Someone just recently submiited "Additional Photography" credits to "Gravity".
Based on your point I suppose you would consider this to be incorrect then? I would not include it because there is already a DoP and you don't have one when you have the other. Fun stuff about this contribution is that it was made by someone who in this thread stated that Additional MakeUp would be invalid ... So please allow me to be a little bit confused. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 | | | Last edited: by Lewis_Prothero |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: They're just a few examples, that list certainly isn't exhaustive. Again, if it is understood that we only enter the roles that are listed in the 'Credited As' column, why do we need examples? I think some examples are provided simply to point out a few mistakes that are easily made. Just a few examples driving the point home as to what kind of data Invelos is and isn't after. But no-one ever claimed that these lists are exhaustive, or else, indeed: welcome "line producers", "consulting producers", or hey, "visual effects producers"... I honestly cannot believe that we've sunk to "anything that isn't listed as forbidden, must be allowed" stance. What's next? The caterer gets crew credits in all major categories? Quote:
Quote: Or should we start entering, say, "Line Producers" now, just because those aren't listed in the "Incorrect Roles" column? Should we? No. Can we? It sure seems that way. Not to me. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote: Fun stuff about this contribution is that it was made by someone who in this thread stated that Additional MakeUp would be invalid ...
So please allow me to be a little bit confused. I'm not confused in the least. I have come to realize that some people are more interested in 'making a point'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | I think the crew chart is extremely misleading throughout.
In Film Editors, it explicitly states only principle when listed together.
We are unable to use anything under sound, when a PSM is present
On the other hand, we include any thing listed as special effects, even though these people may very well be technicians. The example of , we include the supervisor, but do not include the foreman, but then include the dozen people under the special effects headers
We include wardrobe or costume supervisor under the heading of Costume design, even though one has nothing to do with the other.
Apparently, for the people that argue for only stuff in the tables, prostethic makeup is not allowed, even though this is the job "Make-Up effects"
To ascertain what is wanted and not wanted by invelos is not obtainable from the table or the rules, for there are contradictions.
As far as cast, we are allowed to enter the voice credits of people under ADR, but are restricted from entering stunt personnel in most cases (even though these people appear in the movie)
The rules need an update and overhaul concerning cast and crew. We also need guidance from Ken concerning dividers.
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | As far as whether "additional" is allowed
I think the argument is this. is the job "Additional Make-up Artist" or is it an "Additional" make-up artist.
I personally think that there is a difference in connotation, and the job is still Makeup artist.
As far as the line producer argument, that is interesting. Where as, in movies, the producer is responsible for the entire production, the line producer does the same job, just within the set day to day operations. In all realism, a line producer is subservient in job to the producer, and if looking for principle crew does not meet that criteria. If we go outside the principle crew, then there could be an argument to include, the same way we include Make-up artist,even though there is a makeup department head.
An opinion... |
| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,850 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote: As far as cast, we are allowed to enter the voice credits of people under ADR, but are restricted from entering stunt personnel in most cases (even though these people appear in the movie) Not exactly. You're able to enter almost anyone as an uncredited cast member as long as you tell the screeners you saw them in the film. --------------- |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,819 |
| Posted: | | | | I know I've been away for a while (and for my sanity) but these discussions really are a snorefest!
Honestly, I've been with Profiler since it first appeared (about a year later if I remember) and these issues NEVER get resolved in the forums. It's ONLY ever Ken that stops these discussions by making a decision or updating the rules.
So, I don't see the point of discussing them anywhere but in the 'Rules' group where Ken might take notice.
All these threads do is annoy and frustrate and, for those of us that have been around for a long time, bore us stupid. With time and distance I perceive these threads as nothing but an opportunity for a few people to rant. The same things get said over and over again and no one ever listens to anyone else. Everyone is so set on what they think is right and they never see the other side of the argument. It's so utterly pointless talking about anything in this group.
Just an opinion of course. |
| Registered: June 1, 2013 | Posts: 217 |
| Posted: | | | | ^
I've been with Profiler since it first appeared
Just like the op who started the thread and just like the vast majority of posters in this thread (2007)
All these threads do is annoy and frustrate and, for those of us that have been around for a long time, bore us stupid.
That being the case you shouldn't read them, unless of course you want to be "bored stupid". Funny, but every poster, but one, has been a round as long as you have (2007).
Just an opinion of course.
Of course, just like everything else in this thread. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,819 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm sorry, but there IS a search function you know. All these topics have been discussed at length; so even people new to Profiler are capable of searching the forum to find answers to these questions (or non-answers as the case may be).
What usually happens is that the long-term users use these moments as a platform to dredge up issues they've had with Profiler for a long time. THAT's what gets boring.
Unfortunately, many of these people have real issues (Surfeur springs to mind) but people are so sick of seeing the same things being said they don't even listen any more (myself included).
There is a thread going on in another section of this forum where someone is attempting to learn the ropes of contributing. It's not boring or pointless - it's the opposite because someone is genuinely trying to make a difference to this program.
Anyway, all I was attempting to say is that this sort of dicussion is much better served in the Contribution Rules group (that's what it was created for after all). There are many of us users who are on hand to help newbies - but that doesn't mean we have to rattle on about tired issues that never gets solved. | | | Last edited: by Pantheon |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,819 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting JMGuer: Quote: Funny, but every poster, but one, has been a round as long as you have (2007). That's only since 'Invelos' time. I'm talking about when Profiler was under the Intervocative company - which I 'think' was 1997 (could be off a year or two there). But, even if it was only 2007, it doesn't change the fact that I've (we've) seen threads like this forever and nothing changes. Anyway, you are of course correct - I don't have to read these threads. I stopped contributing and coming in here for the very reasons I mention. Nothing changes. I've just started contributing again and I intend to continue with that; but this forum really doesn't add to the Profiler experience or make the program easier to use, in my opinion, if anything it makes things a lot harder. So, toodles. | | | Last edited: by Pantheon |
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