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What's the case type of this parent profile ? (part 2)
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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No, this is the only important part:

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And now digipaks inside slip cases are equivalent to keep cases inside slip cases. That just seems illogical to me.

Like m.cellophane, I really find this a big loss. Apart from a very limited few exceptions, this indeed means that we basically eliminate the "digipak" as a case type from DVD Profiler, since about 90% of all digipaks come in a slipcase. While I ultimately understand the need to remove the term "box set" from case types - to stop users like Rifter from using it to indicate the profile type - I really cannot see the change to "slip case" as an improvement.

Like m.cellophane, I have lots (hundreds!) of digipaks inside slipcases, and likewise I also have quite a large number of keepcases inside slipcases. Until now, these were all correctly called "digipak" and "keepcase". That was valuable information to me - not in the least because I store both case types in different locations in my house. The case type would actually tell me where to look for it. Suddenly, there reduced to one-and-the-same case type, and with that, I lose the distinction between "keepcase-in-slipcover" and "digipak-in-slipcover" - they're now all going to called "slip case"... While I understand how this came about, it must be clear to you that I'm losing valuable information here: while until now, we could actually distinguish between two very different case types, we can no longer do that (yes, locally I still can, I know, that's not the point). Everyone was asking for MORE case types, and we actually end up eliminating a much-used one. I don't get that. And looking at the results of these polls, lots of other users also don't get that.
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Apart from a very limited few exceptions, this indeed means that we basically eliminate the "digipak" as a case type from DVD Profiler, since about 90% of all digipaks come in a slipcase.

Unless you also profile multi-movie sets with only one profile, you will still need digipak as a case type. Please don't keep saying it could be removed.
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From the poll results, it seems like T!M and I definitely are not alone in our opinion that slip cases (and covers) are not logical as case types.
There are two major viewpoints though :
1. Looking at the outer package. This is indeed interesting if you are at a shop, where you can't see the inner packages and therefore cannot identify whether an item in your DPMobile would be the same as the one on the shelve. But conversely, if the one on the shelf contained a keepcase and the one you have contained a Digipak, you wouldn't know either !! Also, I think people are more interested in the inner case type than in the outer package. So they may be more interested in seeing in DPMobie's wishlist that that release that just looks like a cardboard box on the shelf actually contains a Digipak.
2. Looking at the inner package. Apart from the example I just gave, once you own the DVD that will also be the thing that interests me most. Frankly I don't give a damn about those outer slip cases or covers. In fact, I'm pretty sure that I already threw away several of them in my early DVD days, because they are basically overhead.
Another disadvantage of taking the slipcase is that more often than not, that exact same DVD will be released later on in exactly the same inner case, but without the slip case. Since the UPC remains the same, it is impossible to profile the rerelease, so the profile is only useful for the first buyers. If we would just agree on ignoring outer packages, the profile would make sense to both first and late buyers.
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No, this is the only important part:

Quoting m.cellophane:
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And now digipaks inside slip cases are equivalent to keep cases inside slip cases. That just seems illogical to me.

Like m.cellophane, I really find this a big loss. Apart from a very limited few exceptions, this indeed means that we basically eliminate the "digipak" as a case type from DVD Profiler, since about 90% of all digipaks come in a slipcase. While I ultimately understand the need to remove the term "box set" from case types - to stop users like Rifter from using it to indicate the profile type - I really cannot see the change to "slip case" as an improvement.


This isn't about me.  This is about addressing inadequacies in the program that have been there for far too long because certain users refuse to allow any corrections.  We're talking about master profiles here, and the fact that there is no easy way to designate them as box sets UNLESS you check that box under case types.  Calling it a digipack is simply stupid because it isn't.  Its a box, or if you prefer, a slip case.  I freely admit that boxset is not ideal either, but at least it is partially correct because it does involve a box.  And as we have said dozens of times, the child profile contains the information on what type of case actually holds the disc itself.  Digipack is entirely correct in that context.  Or keep case, if that's what is used.  Why can't you get that through your head?

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Like m.cellophane, I have lots (hundreds!) of digipaks inside slipcases, and likewise I also have quite a large number of keepcases inside slipcases. Until now, these were all correctly called "digipak" and "keepcase". That was valuable information to me - not in the least because I store both case types in different locations in my house. The case type would actually tell me where to look for it. Suddenly, there reduced to one-and-the-same case type, and with that, I lose the distinction between "keepcase-in-slipcover" and "digipak-in-slipcover" - they're now all going to called "slip case"... While I understand how this came about, it must be clear to you that I'm losing valuable information here: while until now, we could actually distinguish between two very different case types, we can no longer do that (yes, locally I still can, I know, that's not the point). Everyone was asking for MORE case types, and we actually end up eliminating a much-used one. I don't get that. And looking at the results of these polls, lots of other users also don't get that.


Why is it a loss?  What is so bloody special about a digipack?  It is just a means of securing a bunch of discs to prevent them from being damaged.  It has no more intrinsic value than any other form of container.  And I don't see anybody eliminating anything.  It is, or should be, a case of calling it what it actually is.  The outer cover is not a digipack and there is no way you can stretch logic to make it so.

You guys just can't find a way around letting your personal preferences dictate what you want to put in the online database.  I don't care where you store things in your house.  That has NO RELEVANCE whatsoever to how the profile for the online db is supposed to be.  Like any other part of the profile, you can call it whatever you feel like locally, but don't contribute it.
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As I wrote in the other thread, this is about the CASE TYPE, not the profile type. It has always been about the case type, but you have refused to see that. All this is irrelevant now as it as been renamed to slip case in the program and the online


The way Profiler is currently set up, you can't separate the two.  And even if Dan updated the picture file, the rules still haven't been updated, nor has the drop list in the program itself.  Until those are fixed as well, there are people who will continue to enter things improperly.
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No, this is the only important part:

Quoting m.cellophane:
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And now digipaks inside slip cases are equivalent to keep cases inside slip cases. That just seems illogical to me.

Like m.cellophane, I really find this a big loss.


I totally agree with you on this. Unfortunately Ken doesn't see it that way

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No, this is the only important part:

Quoting m.cellophane:
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And now digipaks inside slip cases are equivalent to keep cases inside slip cases. That just seems illogical to me.

Like m.cellophane, I really find this a big loss.


I totally agree with you on this. Unfortunately Ken doesn't see it that way


I would find this a big loss as well. If digipacks in slipcases (the vast majority of the digipacks out there) are going to be thrown on one heap with keepcases in slipcases, I'd better start locking my case types...
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No, this is the only important part:

Quoting m.cellophane:
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And now digipaks inside slip cases are equivalent to keep cases inside slip cases. That just seems illogical to me.

Like m.cellophane, I really find this a big loss.


I totally agree with you on this. Unfortunately Ken doesn't see it that way


I would find this a big loss as well. If digipacks in slipcases (the vast majority of the digipacks out there) are going to be thrown on one heap with keepcases in slipcases, I'd better start locking my case types...


I don't like this either. I'll also be locking my case types. I think Ken's change is a backward step, but it's his program and I can only hope he changes his mind.
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Which one of you had the theory about how President Bush's old football head injuries is affecting the economy?

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I am sorry, but I have to agree with James on this.  It doesnt make any sense to lump different case types into one single catagory simply because they are contained in a cardboard sleeve.  I can understand this when we are talking about 'Box Sets' where there will be child profiles but not for a single release.

While it might not be important to some people, the 'real' case type is important to others.  Ken really needs to reconsider this decision.
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No, this is the only important part:

Quoting m.cellophane:
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And now digipaks inside slip cases are equivalent to keep cases inside slip cases. That just seems illogical to me.

Like m.cellophane, I really find this a big loss.


I totally agree with you on this. Unfortunately Ken doesn't see it that way


I would find this a big loss as well. If digipacks in slipcases (the vast majority of the digipacks out there) are going to be thrown on one heap with keepcases in slipcases, I'd better start locking my case types...


What loss?  You do realize we're talking about the parent profile here?  That we're talking about a box?  A cardboard box is NOT a digipack and never was.  We still call the case type in the child profiles a digipack if that's what it is.  That hasn't changed one bit.  Nothing has been lost at all.

Unless of course, you're one of those who likes to cram 5 lbs of crap into a 4 lb bagl by stuffing everything into the master profile.  If that's the case, then you'll just have to use your local settings and lock 'em down.
John

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What loss?  You do realize we're talking about the parent profile here?  That we're talking about a box?  A cardboard box is NOT a digipack and never was.  We still call the case type in the child profiles a digipack if that's what it is.  That hasn't changed one bit.  Nothing has been lost at all.

Unless of course, you're one of those who likes to cram 5 lbs of crap into a 4 lb bagl by stuffing everything into the master profile.  If that's the case, then you'll just have to use your local settings and lock 'em down.


No, you aren't.  If you look at the new images Dan has included in the 'case type thread', you will see that they are all single feature releases.
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What loss?  You do realize we're talking about the parent profile here?  That we're talking about a box?  A cardboard box is NOT a digipack and never was.  We still call the case type in the child profiles a digipack if that's what it is.  That hasn't changed one bit.  Nothing has been lost at all.


No, we're not talking about box sets. One movie, one profile, no child profiles

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I am sorry, but I have to agree with James on this.  It doesnt make any sense to lump different case types into one single catagory simply because they are contained in a cardboard sleeve.  I can understand this when we are talking about 'Box Sets' where there will be child profiles but not for a single release.

While it might not be important to some people, the 'real' case type is important to others.  Ken really needs to reconsider this decision.


BS, Unicus.  A master profile is not a digipack.  Its absurd to even think you can call it that.  Nobody has said anything about single releases.  I certainly won't call a single release case type anything but a keep case, or a snapper, or even  -- gasp!  -- a digipack!

Fixing the case types is only half the problem anyway.  If the other half gets fixed, then you won't have any room to squawk.
John

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What loss?  You do realize we're talking about the parent profile here?  That we're talking about a box?  A cardboard box is NOT a digipack and never was.  We still call the case type in the child profiles a digipack if that's what it is.  That hasn't changed one bit.  Nothing has been lost at all.


No, we're not talking about box sets. One movie, one profile, no child profiles



Oooooohhh!  The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!   

Good grief.  Nobody is talking about single discs titles.  You guys are running off into the deep end again for no reason.
John

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I am sorry, but I have to agree with James on this.  It doesnt make any sense to lump different case types into one single catagory simply because they are contained in a cardboard sleeve.  I can understand this when we are talking about 'Box Sets' where there will be child profiles but not for a single release.

While it might not be important to some people, the 'real' case type is important to others.  Ken really needs to reconsider this decision.


BS, Unicus.  A master profile is not a digipack.  Its absurd to even think you can call it that.  Nobody has said anything about single releases.  I certainly won't call a single release case type anything but a keep case, or a snapper, or even  -- gasp!  -- a digipack!

Fixing the case types is only half the problem anyway.  If the other half gets fixed, then you won't have any room to squawk.


You were probably typing this when I posted my last post so I will give you the benefit of the doubt.  But, as I said in that post, take a look at Dan's new examples in the 'case type' thread.  He is talking about ANYTHING that comes in a 'slip case'.  Unless I am a complete moron, 'Near Dark', 'Amelie' & 'Reds', are all single releases. 
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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