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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ken... Please... you need to make it clear with either a comment or a change to the rules page... with this rule as is... Rules Quote: Quote:
If your Disc ID differs from the Disc ID in the main database, you may change it and re-contribute it if you are doing a wider contribution, but don't make a specific contribution for this reason. All Disc IDs will be stored in the main database for a future development of DVD Profiler. bold by me... I would feel I have to vote no to any disc id only contribution. I don't think it is right to not be able to contribute disc ID only changes... but I for one am a very rules oriented person... as long as either the rules are as is... or you don't make a comment to ignore that rule till you can change it... I feel I have to vote no to any disc ID only contributions. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,493 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
are you saying that it is REALLY important to YOU that your data be displayed for the world to see. 
Skip R U addressing this to me or to Gunnar???? | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | One problem here is . how do we know if we have a disc id that hasn't already been captured?
I guess that currently the only way is to insert the disc and see if Profiler automatically switched to the appropriate profile - provided that you actually have that option checked (Options / System / Insert notification).
On reflection, I think that this may well be the reason why the rules don't allow disc id only changes. If you just go to the Discs tab, click the Set button and see that the disc id changes you may well think "I have an alternate disc id - I need to submit it". This could produce a lot of unnecessary submissions.
One solution to this would be that if there is already a disc id, clicking the Set button should produce a response that is either "This disc id is already present" or "A new disc id has been added"
Furthermore, it would be desirable that all disc ids could be shown in the discs tab. Maybe a combo box instead of just a text box. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Gunnar:
We don't, which is why I include the Disc ID data I am contributing in my notes, I know you have seen this. I first commented on this shortly after it became apparent that multiple disc ids were out there, some years back, it would be nice for the program or at least the Online to tell us exactly which data is it already has in the system, but that is a Program change and you and I have no control over program changes. The get done or they do not OR they get filed for future implementation. All we can do is take note of a particular issue and if possible create a workaround for the time being, in this case creatin a workaround was VERY easy and i have done it for a loooong time now. If I have contributed Disc ID data, the specific number is in my notes and i don't worry about it, I don't care if it is visble or not only that it is in the system. This is also one of the reasons I still havce and can 2.5, with it I have access to my old notes from IVS and POOF, I know everything i need to know.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip.
Putting the disc id in the contribution notes is a very good idea. Perhaps it hasn't been quite clear to everyone why this is a good idea. I know I didn't think much about it before this thing happened. In the future I'll try to remember to do that.
It's not an ideal solution, though. If someone thinks he has an alternative disc id it may not be obvious to him that he should read through the contib notes to check if it has already been submitted.
But like you say, we cannot control program changes. Maybe Ken will implement something in 3.5...
On further reflection about the program functionality, maybe the Set button should be disabled if the profile already contains the current disc id. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
Skip.
Putting the disc id in the contribution notes is a very good idea. Perhaps it hasn't been quite clear to everyone why this is a good idea. I know I didn't think much about it before this thing happened. In the future I'll try to remember to do that.
It's not an ideal solution, though. If someone thinks he has an alternative disc id it may not be obvious to him that he should read through the contib notes to check if it has already been submitted.
But like you say, we cannot control program changes. Maybe Ken will implement something in 3.5...
On further reflection about the program functionality, maybe the Set button should be disabled if the profile already contains the current disc id. That's why we have NO votes, amigo. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | If you mean vote no if somebody tries to contribute an alternate id that has already been contributed and documented in the contrib notes, then yeah, I guess that would work. But that requires that the voters actually read all the contrib notes. No doubt you would, Skip, and a few other "hardcore" voters, but I'm not sure very many others would.
Still. I guess it's the best we can do with the current implementation- | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | It is not perfect, Gunnar, few workarounds are. But it's the best WE can do, the rest is out of our hands.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
If you mean vote no if somebody tries to contribute an alternate id that has already been contributed and documented in the contrib notes, then yeah, I guess that would work. But that requires that the voters actually read all the contrib notes. No doubt you would, Skip, and a few other "hardcore" voters, but I'm not sure very many others would.
Still. I guess it's the best we can do with the current implementation- Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
The disc ID variants are used currently. When adding DVDs by inserting them into the drive, the system uses all submitted disc IDs, not just those assigned to the downloaded profile, to identify the disc. Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
The disc ID data is merged only if the profile is accepted. @GSyren: So if i read Ken's message good, when you add the dvd by disc-id and it is found in the online database there is no need to contribute this disc-id. If however the disc-id is not found in the online DB do contribute it. And as you suggested ad the disc-id you contributed to the contribution note and the above message from Ken. @Astrakan: Quote:
So the question is, did GSyren's submitted disc ID get recorded despite the submission being declined? Or do they only get recorded if the submission is accepted? No it is not accepted. @widescreenforever: Quote:
..and if it gets submitted and accepted.. can I ping pong it and resubmit the same title with my disc ID differnace?????????? If it is allready in the online (test add dvd by disc-id), no you can't. Change the disc-id localy and lock it. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
So if i read Ken's message good, when you add the dvd by disc-id and it is found in the online database there is no need to contribute this disc-id. If however the disc-id is not found in the online DB do contribute it. If you add by disc id, yes. Personally I always add my titles when I order them. so I add by UPC. Then the only way to know if the disc id already exists is to see if Profiler recognizes it when it is inserted in the DVD drive. Quote:
If it is allready in the online (test add dvd by disc-id), no you can't. Change the disc-id localy and lock it. Not sure I see the point here. If the disc id is already there, why would anyone want to change it? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
If you add by disc id, yes. Personally I always add my titles when I order them. so I add by UPC. Then the only way to know if the disc id already exists is to see if Profiler recognizes it when it is inserted in the DVD drive. could be you have in your local and not in the online, would be recognised in the local. don't shoot me if I have it worng  Quote:
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If it is allready in the online (test add dvd by disc-id), no you can't. Change the disc-id localy and lock it.
Not sure I see the point here. If the disc id is already there, why would anyone want to change it? sorry this was reply at (@widescreenforever) | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
One problem here is . how do we know if we have a disc id that hasn't already been captured?
I guess that currently the only way is to insert the disc and see if Profiler automatically switched to the appropriate profile - provided that you actually have that option checked (Options / System / Insert notification).
On reflection, I think that this may well be the reason why the rules don't allow disc id only changes. If you just go to the Discs tab, click the Set button and see that the disc id changes you may well think "I have an alternate disc id - I need to submit it". This could produce a lot of unnecessary submissions.
One solution to this would be that if there is already a disc id, clicking the Set button should produce a response that is either "This disc id is already present" or "A new disc id has been added"
Furthermore, it would be desirable that all disc ids could be shown in the discs tab. Maybe a combo box instead of just a text box. The only way I can think of is by going to the "Add by disc" page - if that page recognises your disc, then it's already in the online. Though it's far from ideal. Maybe disc ID submissions should bypass the voting stage and simply be compiled into the online? If the ID already exists, the system simply ignores it - no need for voters or screeners. Unless someone can think of a reason why we would need to vote on ID submissions? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Maybe disc ID submissions should bypass the voting stage and simply be compiled into the online? If the ID already exists, the system simply ignores it - no need for voters or screeners. ...  | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
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If it is allready in the online (test add dvd by disc-id), no you can't. Change the disc-id localy and lock it.
Not sure I see the point here. If the disc id is already there, why would anyone want to change it? sorry this was reply at (@widescreenforever) Yes, I understood that. I just didn't understand why he (or anyone) would feel a need to change the disc id if the profile already contains the id of the disc in question. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Do we know for certain that if an ID change is accepted, then it's the new ID that's displayed in the profile? Or are they just added to the background info?
The reason I ask is that I can't remember ever seeing an ID change come through when I've been previewing updated profiles. Maybe I've just missed them. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
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If it is allready in the online (test add dvd by disc-id), no you can't. Change the disc-id localy and lock it.
Not sure I see the point here. If the disc id is already there, why would anyone want to change it? sorry this was reply at (@widescreenforever)
Yes, I understood that. I just didn't understand why he (or anyone) would feel a need to change the disc id if the profile already contains the id of the disc in question. to have it recognised in your computer? if the original disc-id is overwritten by a more recent one? | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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