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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Cover contributionsDeclining reasonsStatement: Quoting Gerri Cole: Quote: Contributions with no votes are not declined based on not getting votes.
As stated, updating images require a significant increase in quality in order to get approved. It is usually good in the case of submitting a slightly better scan to point out differences that can be seen.
I looked at one of the contributions, and the notes stated that the aspect ratio was being changed to 1.78:1, but in fact you were changing it to 1.85:1.
It seems like either the contribution or notes were in error. I would suggest you resubmit correcting either the notes or the aspect ratio and point out the specific improvements in your scan.
-Gerri Link to original thread: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=369116&messageID=971744#M971744Quoted post from Gerrin on page 1. |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Capitalized accents and special charactersStatement: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: We're not making a policy change here, so don't read too much into this. We maintain that the most commonly credited form of a person's name is how they should be entered in DVD Profiler, with the Credited As field used where this does not match. Unfortunately, in most cases there is not definitive source for the actor's name, and in many cases the name changes over time.
Linking variations as a solution creates issues where there are overlaps, which if all variants are allowed become all too frequent. The Credited As solution as implemented allows the two main goals: Credits listed 'As Credited', and the ability to cross-link all credits for a given actor.
This thread is specifically about accents and special characters.
Quoting lmoelleb:
Quote: 2) Use English rules to do the actual conversion between lower and upper case (so always convert "E" to "e", never to "é").
No, there are no special English rules to apply. Since "é" has a corresponding "É", simple capital conversion is all that's required. If the character used in the all-caps name is "É", convert it to "é" as needed to create mixed case. If the character used in all-caps is "E", convert it to "e" as needed to create mixed case. Link to original thread: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=277876&PageNum=1Quoted post from Ken on page 4. |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Adult titlesQuoting ArnoDVDs: Quote: Hi,
I re-contributed now for the 2nd time an title because i got both times the text: "The contributed profile is an adult entry, but was not marked as such. Please set a genre as Adult or the rating as Adult."
I set it to 'adult' and re-contributed but also like some weeks ago with another title this is not an porn movie or such at all. Its 'erotic' but very soft core !
Maybe there should be an 'porn' setting instead of 'adult' as the rating already tells the age goal !!
Atleast the marking 'adult' suggests to me that it is an porn movie, otherwise all NR, NC-17 or even R titles would be 'adult' automaticly !?!?
Greets,
Arno
ps. I finally got phpDVDProfiler to work on GoDaddy.com !! GREAT ! Statement: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: The reviewer erred in this case. We enforce 'adult' only for pornographic films, or in cases where the cover depicts full nudity. I've reprocessed the original contribution and withdrawn the resubmitted one. Link to original thread: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=287835Quoted post from Ken on page 1. |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Capitalized SS to ss or ßQuoting lmoelleb: Quote: OK, I am loosing track of this.
Ignoring "Credited As" but just looking at the actual credit, is this how it should be done:
1) Use the standard rules of the language/country the cast or crew member is from to determine which characters should be lower/upper case (so "Marco von Basten", not "Marco Von Basten"), but do not use these rules to determine how they are converted.
2) Use English rules to do the actual conversion between lower and upper case (so always convert "SS" to "ss", never to "ß"). Statement: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: "ß" is a relatively rare case in that there is no capital version. With instances such as this (if others are found), when there is no upper case equivalent to "ß", and if "ß" is routinely capped as "SS" in the native language, the "ß" character may be used. Link to original thread: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=277876&PageNum=1Quoted post from Ken on page 3. |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Line-break hyphens in OverviewQuoting Agrare: Quote: I downloaded a profile to use as a base for a new profile (the disc ID matched and pulled up the profile, but mine is a box set content so no upc and the profile that downloaded was by UPC, but thats not the point)
So after changing the profile to disc id, i started verifying some info, and there were a few mistakes in the overview (spelling errors not present on the cover) i figured I'd fix these in the UPC profile as well since I can read the overview from the cover scans. There are two by UPC profiles for this, both with the exact same overview on the back. some words are split because they go onto a second line so in the overview (on the cover) they are entered as extrava-ganza (etc). The one profile removed the dashes from these words, the other has them. What is the proper way. I would think it would be with the dashes because thats 'exactly as appears on the cover' but since the - just shows it continues on the next line, and when transcribing it, it doesn't cross two lines should it be dropped or not?
-Agrare Statement: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: Line-break hyphens are not considered part of the overview and should not be entered. Link to original thread: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=258634&PageNum=1Quoted post from Ken on page 5. |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Removing of uncredited castQuoting eaglejd: Quote: This film was added to InterVocative on Feb 16 2006. In all the contribution notes there is nothing documenting any source for any actors credited or uncredited. Here is the link to the film at InterVocative. Take a look and tell me what justification there is to keep any actors that are not in the film credits.
http://www.intervocative.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=178775&PageNum=LAST
Now since there was no source or documentation for adding the uncredited, I am submitting the changes to the cast and crew taken from the film credits and in order.
The ney sayers say I should justify removing the uncredited, I am saying that the uncredited were not justified or documented when added. Again go to the above link and look.
Whoever votes NO on this is voting to make our online database currupt.
Use a little common sense.
8ballMax-----"Obviously not an IMDb clone of uncredited. Prove they don't belong before removing."
I have proved that they were not added correctly.
hal9g-----"Please stop removing uncredited actors just becuase you don;t like them!"
I am not removing them because I don't like them. I am removing them because they were not properly added and don't belong in the credits.
RHFactor-----"Removes previously approved data with no source."
I have a source, the contribution note from InterVocative, showing that there was not any documentation for adding any cast and crew. Statement: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: Uncredited should only be removed where they are a match with a third party database. Note that they do not have to be an exact match. If they are a close match with any third party database, and there is no listed justification, it's safe to remove them. Link to original thread: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=203219&PageNum=1Quoted post from Ken on page 1. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Additional from another thread: Statement: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: I'll reiterate it here - if the source of the data is not immediately evident, there's no reason to remove uncredited entries. However, if (for instance), the data is a carbon copy of IMDB or any other third party database, that is enough reason to remove it. When removing it, be specific in your contribution notes so we don't pass it over. Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: Yes, if they are clearly exact copies, they should be removed before resubmitting. Link to original thread: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=158718&PageNum=1Quoted posts from Ken on page 4 and page 5. |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Entering uncredited castQuoting angel200: Quote: So i hope you all understand what i mean because my english is bad.
I make a Contribution of the Film "Music & Lyrics" (Mitten ins Herz: Ein Song für dich).
This is what i wrote:
Profile completed with all Information; Source: DVD Credits Uncredited Cast from imdb.com
Now the Contribution is "Declined" because of the third party database imdb.com that i used for the uncredited Cast. But what can i used for the Uncredited Cast as an third party Database?
funny is that i got "5 Yes" and "0 No" with No Comment.
So what is that for a damn rule that i can not use a third party database for the uncredited cast. i can't suck the cast from my fingers, i need a third party database.
Angel200 Statement: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: Third party database data is not allowed because it would be illegal for us to accept it and we respect The rights of those databases.
Uncredited cast is not required to be entered. Enter uncredited cast only where you can independently identify them and document them. Link to original thread: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=195406&messageID=378443#M378443Quoted post from Ken on page 1. |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Himself/Herself creditsQuoting Ken Cole: Quote: For those who missed my reply, the following is the correct method of entry for this credit:
Name: Sandra Bullock Credited as: Ida Flammenbaum Role: Herself
This follows directly from an earlier ruling on Name/Role order where the role is "Himself" or "Herself": Here
As this issue is resolved, I'm closing the thread. Link to original thread: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=284968&PageNum=1Quoted post from Ken on page 18. |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | CLT results in contribution notesContribution votingQuoting Ken Cole: Quote: We keep going round and round on this, so to reiterate:
- CLT results are desired but not required.
This is the instruction given to the Invelos evaluator team, who make the acceptance decisions. If specific users choose to seek more specificity in the contribution notes, that is their prerogative. As long as they are consistent in their policies, this is not a voting violation. If you choose to vote no to any scan not done on a professional drum scanner, go for it. However, users who use substantively different acceptance criteria from those used by the Invelos evaluators are only doing harm to their own accuracy rating.
Several things to keep in mind with this: - Keep your contribution vote comments polite, or lose the right to vote. - Make sure you are not targeting specific users with your votes - if we see a pattern against specific users on votes that run contrary to the Invelos decision, you may lose your right to vote - Rehashing the same demand for further contribution note information in the forums is not accomplishing anything. Further rehashing will result in bans. Link to original thread: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=433301&PageNum=1Quoted post from Ken on page 13. |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Additional to the above CLT results in contribution notesStatement: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: We are not going to continue to hash this out. If a user chooses to submit without specific CLT results, they may do so and their contribution may still be accepted depending on a variety of factors, including contribution history.
Voting users may choose to request further details and a "No" vote if the details aren't provided is not an abuse of the voting system.
Further discussion on this will only lead to argument. Link to original thread: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=427276&PageNum=1Quoted post from Ken on page 3. |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Already submitted/pending data in contributionsQuoting Kulju: Quote: I'm under the impression that we are voting for if the contributed data is correct or no. Can we vote "no" based on that someone else has already contributed same, or partly same data, which has not been approved yet? Does that make the "later" contribution against the rules? How can we be sure that the "first" contribution will be approved?
Title: Avatar UPC: 024543-656135 Locality: United States Statement: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: If there are data overlaps, the standard proper vote is No, unless the contributer has been very specific in the notes, calling out the overlap, and all overlaps contain markedly superior data. Link to original thread: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=438545&PageNum=1Quoted post from Ken on page 1. |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Contribution comparison screenStatements: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: The contribution comparison screen always uses the latest accepted profile, regardless of whether it is released. This is true for the contributor, for the voters, and for the Invelos evaluator. Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: To be clear:
Quote: Are you serious that during the time screeners accept/decline the data contributed, the data isn't compared against the accepted data???
The above is not correct. Submitters, screeners, and voters always see the latest accepted data. Link to original thread: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=438545&PageNum=1Quoted posts from Ken on page 1. |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Bonus trailersQuoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: I am working on some profiles in version 3.6 including the new bonus trailers.... splitting up the bonus trailers from the Theatrical trailers. When something popped into my mind.
I was editing a DVD... when I saw one of those trailer montages... where they have clips from many movies from the studio. In this case it was a Fox Studios montage. It is like a single trailer for many movies... instead of a trailer per movie. This is something I never considered as a trailer. And wouldn't check the box for.
But I was wondering if anyone here did actually check the box for these. I believe I am right in that the box shouldn't be checked for these... but wanted to see where other people's mind were on these.
Thoughts? Statement: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: I agree these should not count as trailers. Clarification has been added to the pending rules update. Link to original thread: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=438928Quoted post from Ken on page 1. |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Additional VoicesQuoting Ken Cole: Quote: On the latest topic, there is no exclusion for Additional Voices - if they're in the credits, they should be included. We include similar non-specific live-action credits, such as an actor credited as "Various roles". We also include specific voice actors, so I don't see a compelling reason to exclude non-specific voice credits. Link to original thread: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=438798&PageNum=9 | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 | | | Last edited: by Lewis_Prothero |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Feature Trailers on extra discQuoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: OK... Here is one I am not 100% sure how to handle. I am about 95% sure how to handle it... but want to see if you all agree.
The Nightmare on Elm Street Collection: None of the movie discs contains trailers... but there is a bonus disc for all movies... The Nightmare Series Encyclopedia... This disc has the Theatrical trailers for all the movies in the set (and no other trailers).
So how would you handle it?
My thoughts is to leave it at just the Feature Trailers since the disc is an extras disc for all the movies in the set. Does this sound right to everyone? Statement: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote: My thoughts is to leave it at just the Feature Trailers since the disc is an extras disc for all the movies in the set. Does this sound right to everyone? Makes sense to me.
Of course, it's possible I'm just agreeing with you since you're a fellow creature of the night. Link to original thread: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=440307&PageNum=1Quoted post from Ken on page 2. |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Birth Years for distinguishing cast and crew with same nameStatement: Quoting Gerri Cole: Quote: The birth year will be accepted to differentiate between a cast and crew member. In your example below, Marc Warren is a valid birth year.
-Gerri Link to original thread: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=253333Quoted post from Gerri on page 1. |
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