Quoting surfeur51:

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People say they enter mistakes to avoid ping pong.

Why not use the vote system? If there is a spelling mistake in a overview, the first contributor corrects it. If someone wants to put back the mistake, votes will decide.

What we have now are people contributing the mistake, and if somebody wants to correct it, he gets no votes.

Sorry, but this ultra strict application of the rules is MAD.

I do believe the rule was designed well before we had a voting system.  I'm not saying the rule should be abolished because of the voting system, but I certainly think it's worth taking another look at it.  I'm not convinced that the restriction on correcting spelling mistakes makes sense at this point.  Like you, I believe some of the rules we have today are completely insane.

With that said, I seriously doubt you'll gain enough support to ever change this.  But it's worth a shot.

Quoting Mark Harrison:

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Quoting surfeur51:

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People say they enter mistakes to avoid ping pong.

Why not use the vote system? If there is a spelling mistake in a overview, the first contributor corrects it. If someone wants to put back the mistake, votes will decide.

What we have now are people contributing the mistake, and if somebody wants to correct it, he gets no votes.

Sorry, but this ultra strict application of the rules is MAD.

I do believe the rule was designed well before we had a voting system.  I'm not saying the rule should be abolished because of the voting system, but I certainly think it's worth taking another look at it.  I'm not convinced that the restriction on correcting spelling mistakes makes sense at this point.  Like you, I believe some of the rules we have today are completely insane.

With that said, I seriously doubt you'll gain enough support to ever change this.  But it's worth a shot.

Especially with the incessant whining, beginning to sound like a broken record.

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Quoting skipnet50:

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One cent is not necessarily correct. It IS AR beyond belief. One cent won't change sales tax, it will hev no impact on any insurance adjuster.

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Is it "AR" to use software to find regions that aren't listed on the packaging?
Is it "AR" to use software to find extra seconds that might allow us to round the running time differently than what's listed on the packaging?
Is it "AR" to add or subtract period or commas or spaces around slash marks based on sitting and watching the credits scroll for 5 minutes?

This whole endeavor is an exercise in "AR"-ness.

Quoting skipnet50:

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Especially with the incessant whining, beginning to sound like a broken record.

I honestly have no idea what it is you're trying to say.

Quoting VibroCount:

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It might be nice (and I have no idea how this might be accomplished, sorry) if there was a way, perhaps a separate field, where a submitter (original or updating one) could enter known errors in the information. (So-and-so's name misspelled in the cast list, etc.) This way we each could see the thoughts from submitters and users and could choose to update the profile locally or not.

This is a very good idea, I was thinking about that myself but in some other way. There should be a separate field with a submitter just to confirm that you didn’t obtain these data from other already existing databases.

Ken made these rules just because of legal reasons, it has nothing to do with the correctness of the database or something else. Ken is afraid he will be prosecuted by IMDb or others for at least 1 zillion dollars (yes they don’t like small numbers in the US) for using their data. His fears are understandable because claiming money has become a national habit in the US, look at the car manuals they are like bibles but they are containing 10.000 disclaimers and just a little instruction.

This culture of claiming large amounts of money from each other has a destructive effect on  the American ingenuity and creativity. Just the things Americans always were admired for. For this reason I am a bit disappointed by the reply’s of some of the Americans on this forum which I will summarize to “rules are rules and they have to be obeyed at all times, and if you don’t like them then just get lost”. This is not the right attitude I think.

We are just talking about man-made rules (or Ken made in this case) and not those of the “good book” and therefore they are discussable and adjustable. So let’s help Ken to improve the existing rules by learning from the examples of the daily practice.

On the other hand I do completely agree with everything “Surfeur51” pointed out in his reply’s. Do you want to have a large database with many contributors or a narrow database with some die-hards contributing 2000 updates of “Star Wars”. There will always be profiles contributed of the next James Bond or Star Wars picture. But will there be a profile of an obscure French or an unknown Dutch (in my case) picture, I doubt that.

My last point is about updating profiles and the voting system. Who is really happy about that, I ‘am not. Look for instance at “8-714865-556160 The Godfather: DVD-collection” after the update the complete list of cast and crew, overview, features, subtitles and so on is wiped out. Who did approve these changes, this doesn’t work very well this way.

This database must be more easy to access for contributing. At this moment I do have the feeling that it is easier for me to become a member of the “International Olympic Committee” than to upload a contribution to the DVD profiler.     

Btw. I like the DVD Profiler 3.0 software very much and I think Ken is doing a very good job in general. I only want to help developing it to a better accessibility because that’s in my opinion the key for success. Because a program like this must have al large (worldwide) community to be successful.

Quoting Phil the Mill:

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Quoting VibroCount:

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It might be nice (and I have no idea how this might be accomplished, sorry) if there was a way, perhaps a separate field, where a submitter (original or updating one) could enter known errors in the information. (So-and-so's name misspelled in the cast list, etc.) This way we each could see the thoughts from submitters and users and could choose to update the profile locally or not.

This is a very good idea, I was thinking about that myself but in some other way.  There should be a separate field with a submitter just to confirm that you didn’t obtain these data from other already existing databases.

Ken made these rules just because of legal reasons, it has nothing to do with the correctness of the database or something else. Ken is afraid he will be prosecuted by IMDb or others for at least 1 zillion dollars (yes they don’t like small numbers in the US) for using their data. His fears are understandable because claiming money has become a national habit in the US, look at the car manuals they are like bibles but they are containing 10.000 disclaimers and just a little instruction.

This culture of claiming large amounts of money from each other has a destructive effect on  the American ingenuity and creativity. Just the things Americans always were admired for. For this reason I am a bit disappointed by the reply’s of some of the Americans on this forum witch I will summarize to “rules are rules and they have to be obeyed at all times, and if you don’t like them then just get lost”. This is not the right attitude I think.

We are just talking about man-made rules (or Ken made in this case) and not those of the “good book”  and therefore they are discussable and adjustable. So let’s help Ken to improve the existing rules by learning from the examples of the daily practice.

On the other hand I do completely agree with everything “Surfeur51” pointed out in his reply’s. Do you want to have a large database with many contributors or a narrow database with some die-hards contributing 2000 updates of “Star Wars”. There will always be profiles contributed of the next James Bond or Star Wars picture. But will there be a profile of an obscure French or an unknown Dutch (in my case) picture, I doubt that.

My last point is about updating profiles and the voting system. Who is really happy about that, I ‘am not. Look for instance at “8-714865-556160 The Godfather: DVD-collection” after the update the complete list of cast and crew, overview, features, subtitles and so on is wiped out. Who did approve these changes, this doesn’t work very well this way.

This database must be more easy to access for contributing. At this moment I do have the feeling that it is easier for me to become a member of the “International Olympic Committee” than to upload a contribution to the DVD profiler.     

Btw. I like the DVD Profiler 3.0 software very much and I think Ken is doing a very good job in general. I only want to help developing it to a better accessibility because that’s in my opinion the key for success. Because a program like this must have al large (worldwide) community to be successful.

Phil:

Just as with Surfeur, you are applying YOUR version of correct. There is NO correct, just as there is seldom a real truth. I could say it is raining, and you could say it is not and BOTH comments could be correct, because of our relative view of the environment in which we reside...unless you happened to be my neighbor. For the purposes of the Online database as I have explained CORRECT is relative to the Case and the Disc/Film, any other CORRECT is a personal matter and does not belong in the Online database. Invelos's Online database is not designed to be a reference source, it is designed to be a starting point from which ALL users can take the base data and then customize it to suit their particular needs. IMDb is built as reference and as such it is a miserable failure, it is one of the worst and most inaccurate, unreliable sources of information I have ever seen, they do not even present their data in any kind of consistent form. If you start allowing what you propose, then it is just a half step to you making similar canges to the Online cast and crew data as well, claiming that there are tpos and mistakes in the filmed data, and then we will look like IMDb and be just as inaccurate. All you have to do is recognize what the function of the Online is versus your local database. We are ALWAYS going to have users just like you who want to do it differently.

Phil, you are a recent memeber you don't know the history here. You weren't here before we had Rules and the database was a total wreck. We had users like you trying to even pervert the database by trying to manipulate the sorting of films BECAUSE they wanted have all the James Bond titles together. So they were setting up James Bond 04, or 004 or whatever instead of Thunderball, we had profiles which bounced all over the place on a weekly basis as usersengaged in Contribution wars to manipulate the database. Those days are over, we have a standard for the Online that is based on the disc and the case, and you are free to do whatever you wish locally to have your particular database perform the way YOU want it to perform.

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Quoting Phil the Mill:

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We are just talking about man-made rules (or Ken made in this case) and not those of the “good book” 

Which "good book" is that...
The Book of the Law by Aleister Crowley?
A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking?
Phantom of the Poles by William Reed?

Maybe something else??