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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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So there's your answer!

Done deal!

thanks for the clarification, Ken.


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What vast differences?  Enumerate them.  Explain to me why Studio or Audio or Video data in a TV set is NOT Studio or Audio or Video data in a Movie set.  The TYPE of data is what counts, not what the actual value is.

Not true.

For a movie box set, you can't enter Studio or Audio or Video data at the parent level because the data changes, more often than not, throughout the child profiles. When you are done completing the child profiles, you know more info than you would have if you'd only set up just a parent profile.

For a TV set, you can enter Studio or Audio or Video data at the parent level because the data doesn't change, more often than not, throughout the child profiles. When you are done completing the child profiles, you don't know any more info than you would have if you'd only set up just a parent profile.

Why should I enter that same unchanging data 10 times for a 10-disc TV set if it doesn't provide any additional knowledge?


You're creating a problem where one doesn't exist.  So what if the data value is the same?  It doesn't necessarily have to be, and may or may not be.  You have no way of knowing for sure.  In any case, just because the value changes, doesn't mean the type is wrong.
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Thanks Ken
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So did I, but some users just want to keep counting and counting and counting, Pete. Maybe Tigi is related to Gore.

Skip



It's called congnitive dissonance:  when someone keeps doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome than all the previous attempts.
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Well, God has spoken.  I trust we won't have to hear any more about this... 
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Ken,

I do have one question that hopefully you can advise us on.

We have instances where there is a conflict between using the disc ID of the first disc in a single season TV season for the "child profile" just for the first disc in that season, and that same disc ID is needed to profile the entire season when that season is a child of a "Complete Series" of a TV show.

Can you provide some guidance on this please?
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Well, God has spoken.  I trust we won't have to hear any more about this... 


Not quite.  See above.
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OK, thanks for the clarification, Ken !

I have a different opinion, but I have absolutely no problem to accept your decision !
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Ken,

I do have one question that hopefully you can advise us on.

We have instances where there is a conflict between using the disc ID of the first disc in a single season TV season for the "child profile" just for the first disc in that season, and that same disc ID is needed to profile the entire season when that season is a child of a "Complete Series" of a TV show.

Can you provide some guidance on this please?


of course this is no more then a blind guess... but I would guess he would do something like he did for the multiple T2 releases to make it allowable for both versions in the database. possibly??
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Ken,

I do have one question that hopefully you can advise us on.

We have instances where there is a conflict between using the disc ID of the first disc in a single season TV season for the "child profile" just for the first disc in that season, and that same disc ID is needed to profile the entire season when that season is a child of a "Complete Series" of a TV show.

Can you provide some guidance on this please?


My initial thought is that in either case, disc-level profiles should have content only from that disc.  How often does this occur?  Since we don't have grandchild profiles at the moment, how do you enter them currently.
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Ken...
It is not that common right now... but happening more all the time... basically anytime you have all seasons released and then a complete series released after it. That is why I said my guess would to be something like you did with T2 when there was more then 1 version with the same UPC.... some way to allow both versions into the database.

What it is... where it says in the rules for multiple series (season) releases to have boxsets per season... the note at the bottom of the TV Series rules.
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The results of this poll clearly indicate a preference for cast and crew entry in the parent profile.  The choice of whether to download individual disc profiles then becomes a matter of personal preference.  As I mentioned earlier, box set contents are automatically locked when the profile is added to the local database, so the user can clear them at that time (or just ignore them as they have no impact if the child discs don't exist locally).

As to the child profiles, we will accept them into the online database.  Once box set contents are added to the parent, removal will generally not be allowed.  The rules have been modified to indicate this.  Feedback on the changes is welcome.

I personally don't have child profiles for box sets of TV series, so I'll be happy to have the cast and crew info in the parent profile.
What should we do when a disc profile conflicts with a season profile because both have to be entered by disc id in some cases?
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My initial thought is that in either case, disc-level profiles should have content only from that disc.  How often does this occur?  Since we don't have grandchild profiles at the moment, how do you enter them currently.


The box sets I've heard of are the: Buffy the Vampire Slayer: The Chosen Collection; Charmed: Complete Collection; Babylon 5: The Complete Universe; Star Treks (TNG & Voyager); Angel: The Complete DVD Collectors Edition; MASH: Martinis & Medicine Complete Collection

I'm sure there are others though.
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Ken,

I do have one question that hopefully you can advise us on.

We have instances where there is a conflict between using the disc ID of the first disc in a single season TV season for the "child profile" just for the first disc in that season, and that same disc ID is needed to profile the entire season when that season is a child of a "Complete Series" of a TV show.

Can you provide some guidance on this please?


My initial thought is that in either case, disc-level profiles should have content only from that disc.  How often does this occur?  Since we don't have grandchild profiles at the moment, how do you enter them currently.



so let me get this straight, cuz you're the boss here.

single disc id profiles should only have the information for that individual disc, and that adding cast/crew information for other discs within a season to that profile would not be acceptable. is that correct?

thank, ken, for your response on this issue.

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I just wanted to check,, so I got this right?

The (individual) season box set is the parent profile set by a UPC and contains the info for all the discs; each disc may also have a child profile set by ID containing only the disc's info.

Until grand-children are added to the profiler, could the multi-season owners add their box set by UPC as the parent, and then add the individual parents from above (searching title I guess) to the profile as children? Or is that not possible using the program? Can a parent profile in one database, be a child profile in someone else's?

edit: oops, I think Krik got in first.
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