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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I said on page 3:
"In Alfred Hitchcock's case, it has to be noted that this was his title card. Most directors use "A John Smith Film", Martin Scorcese uses "A Martin Scorcese Movie". Alfred Hitchcock used "Alfred Hitchcock's". That's why I believe it should not be used as part of the title of his films. It was a credit for him, not for his film. You could call it his trademark if you will."
"Alfred Hitchcock's" was never intended to be part of the title - it's his credit NOT the film's. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 820 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
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Now you haven't passed the quiz with a score of between 15 and 20 so you can't participate futher in the discussion until you have.
Secondly, I cannot really place any weight on your opinion since you only have 7 Hitchcock titles in your collection and they are all US films. Come back and talk to me when you have some British ones.
I answered all 20 questions correctly and have 35 of his 53 films. So when do I get my propeller beanie?
Edit: I also have both versions of Strangers on a Train. Propeller beanie is awarded. Why am I not surprised that my old sparring partner qualified. Nice work on the quiz. I have 43 or maybe 44 of his films. Now what is it?......Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds or The Birds? Oh, I have two versions of of the two versions of Strangers on a Train, the sigle disc edition and the two-disc edition. | | | | Last edited: by Telecine |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
There is a place for the title to be The Birds, it is called YOUR local database...NOT the Online.
Skip Now, now...let's be accurate. For every other DVD of this movie in the online, it's called "The Birds" as well. What you really mean is that the only place to correct the title of this one edition that you own, is my local database. I mean step up and take the credit...don't spread it around to the entire online database. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | I know I'm in the minority here, but I think the use of possessives in titles is getting way out of hand. IMO, just because there is a possessive on the same screen as the title (or on the cover) doesn't make it PART OF the title. An example: Mick Garris directed Riding the Bullet, based on a short story by Stephen King. On the cover and (I think) also in the movie credits it says: Quote:
Stephen King's
Riding the Bullet Now, this means that those who are in favor of possessives would use Stephen King's Riding the Bullet as title, not just Riding the Bullet. Here's what the film's director said in an interview before the movie came out: Quote:
"Stephen King liked the film so much that he’s allowing us to use his name above the title," Garris says, "so the movie will be going out as Stephen King's Riding the Bullet." http://www.fan-sites.org/erika-c/press/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1137068481&archive=&start_from=&ucat=14&He says it will be "going out as" Stephen King's Riding the Bullet, but he clearly says that King agreed to put his name ABOVE the TITLE (i.e. ABOVE Riding the Bullet), not IN the title. This is just one example - other directors who frequently put their names ABOVE the title are John Carpenter, Cecil B. Demille and Alfred Hitchcock. Like I said, this is MY opinion. I keep my local titles locked and free of possessives, so I'm not all that affected by this. |
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 | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
As I said on page 3:
"In Alfred Hitchcock's case, it has to be noted that this was his title card. Most directors use "A John Smith Film", Martin Scorcese uses "A Martin Scorcese Movie". Alfred Hitchcock used "Alfred Hitchcock's". That's why I believe it should not be used as part of the title of his films. It was a credit for him, not for his film. You could call it his trademark if you will."
"Alfred Hitchcock's" was never intended to be part of the title - it's his credit NOT the film's. As I said back on page 3..... it isn't a title card. You are talking about screen credits. | | | | Dan |
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| Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | My copy of this DVD is burried at the moment and I can't get to it. Can someone please scan the back cover and the disc and post them please? I want to be able to read the small print. | | | | Dan |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | With that logic Skip, I should start changing my issues of the following.... Disney's 102 dalmations walt disney's fantasia Disney's Atlantis: Milos Return walt disney's bambi walt disney's cinderella disney's the country bears disney's D2 the mighty ducks walt disney's dumbo I got bored at this point but you get the drift. But I shan't amend them. It is stupid. I'll leave it to someone else if they believe this is the way to mess up our database.  | | |  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 813 |
| | Posted: | | | | Wow, another great thread going... and such a satisfying sense of Deja Vu... We have one side of the discussion providing reasoned arguments, providing documentation, explaining their reasoning, looking at the context.  And the other side? Basically saying "because I said so"... although to be fair they are saying it in CAPITAL LETTERS to really emphasize the strength of their argument.  It seems pretty clear to me from the provided evidence that the title is The Birds, but then I only seem to have seen one side of the evidence so far so I am still open to persuasion.  | | | Andy 
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Except, Lopek that none of the provided evidence is valid here. The Rules say nothing about such evidence, the AFI nor anything else is relevant. The Rules state: "Titles Title Use the title from the film's credits." SIMPLE. Now does it surprise me that you have the position you have, NOT AT ALL! You have already demonstrated your total disregard for the Rules AND your willingness to encourage others to do the same by stuffing the votes, yet another violation of the Rules. And you are very adept at your attempts to rationaliz and spin your position, but that does not make your position correct, it merely means you are willing to Break the Rules, go somewhere else where they don't have Rules. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lopek: Quote:
Wow, another great thread going... and such a satisfying sense of Deja Vu...
We have one side of the discussion providing reasoned arguments, providing documentation, explaining their reasoning, looking at the context.
And the other side? Basically saying "because I said so"... although to be fair they are saying it in CAPITAL LETTERS to really emphasize the strength of their argument.
It seems pretty clear to me from the provided evidence that the title is The Birds, but then I only seem to have seen one side of the evidence so far so I am still open to persuasion. Well said, and you are right about "because I said so" that seems to be running more and more of the forums and the database as well. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 820 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Except, Lopek that none of the provided evidence is valid here. The Rules say nothing about such evidence, the AFI nor anything else is relevant.
The Rules state:
"Titles
Title
Use the title from the film's credits."
SIMPLE.
Now does it surprise me that you have the position you have, NOT AT ALL! You have already demonstrated your total disregard for the Rules AND your willingness to encourage others to do the same by stuffing the votes, yet another violation of the Rules. And you are very adept at your attempts to rationaliz and spin your position, but that does not make your position correct, it merely means you are willing to Break the Rules, go somewhere else where they don't have Rules.
Skip A user named Wasserglas submitted a request to change the title to The Birds on 22 July 2007. The source he quoted was the film credits on the DVD. I know that the DVD cover says Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds but what do the credits say? Waserglas says he checked and it was The Birds. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
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The Rules state:
"Titles
Title
Use the title from the film's credits."
SIMPLE. At least we agree on this. What's confusing is why you'd quote it since you can't show your title in the film's credits.  | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 813 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Telecine: Quote:
A user named Wasserglas submitted a request to change the title to The Birds on 22 July 2007. The source he quoted was the film credits on the DVD. I know that the DVD cover says Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds but what do the credits say? Waserglas says he checked and it was The Birds. What is in the film credits was posted earlier as screencaps. There is a screen showing "Alfred Hitchcock's", then a second separate screen showing "The Birds" (with some writer info). | | | Andy
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,435 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
The Rules state:
"Titles
Title
Use the title from the film's credits."
SIMPLE. Apparently it is not that simple, as in the case under discussion the two parts of the Title, which you say should be in the DVD Profiler Title field, are on separate screens/shots. Would you like to throw out some wording to clarify the rule, so that it is clear how to "collect" a Title from the screen...? How many "screens" are valid? What is considered to be part of the Title? | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | mdnitoil:
You did and your argument is all about 2 separate title screens....that is...so what. It does NOT change what the title of the fil, even though you believe it does. The Original audit of this title from the FILM credit was done April 6, 2006. We have 500,000 users, and left to their own devices the Online would be a wreck because as we can graphically demonstrate here, no two users are going to agree with anything. That is why we have Rules that govern the handling of Online Contributions, and still some users are willing to attempt to provide their own inrterpretations and spin to obvious answers. This is simple, cut and dried. If you want to do something locally that is your right. When the RULES used to be called Guidelines, we had users, probably like you, saying that the Guidelines did not have to followed because they are only GUIDElines and they are not required. Well now they are RULES.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
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Outta here
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