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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
Quoting Woola:
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Their is also nothing in the Rules that spells out colon/hypen or anything else as it pertains to the edition, but how does the program represent the Edition field by using a COLON.
That alone I would have thought would have provided a hint as to the answer.
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Actually that one is a program option under -
Tools ---> Options ---> Display ---> Edition Format
You can choose between not showing the edition, with a colon, with a dash or between parentheses. Forget: That would be a local filter, which means that the data regardless of how the user wants to do it, should appear per the Rules as a colon. But that is not the case as far as i know. If that were true this would not even be necessary. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
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Quoting Alien Redrum:
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Common sense would also say that if this is the first time the issue has come up in a decade, it's been working pretty well for those that this issue affects.
It's because they've kept it quiet and out of the official forums until now. If it had been addressed through official channels it probably would've been resolved long ago.
Resolved? Are you serious? Have you seen these threads? It looks like it was resolved until this thread was started and now look at what you have.
I certainly don't blame them for unofficially agreeing on it to avoid this nonsense.  It wasn't resolved because they decided to take it upon themselves to go through other methods to deal with it!! Of course it would've been resolved as sooner or later Ken or Gerri would've stepped in to say one way or the other. Although I prefer one option, I'd take an official view any day. Quote:
(please note the "you" is the "you in general" not "you in particular"  ) That's how I took it but thanks for clarifying  | | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
Quoting Alien Redrum:
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Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
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Quoting Alien Redrum:
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Common sense would also say that if this is the first time the issue has come up in a decade, it's been working pretty well for those that this issue affects.
It's because they've kept it quiet and out of the official forums until now. If it had been addressed through official channels it probably would've been resolved long ago.
Resolved? Are you serious? Have you seen these threads? It looks like it was resolved until this thread was started and now look at what you have.
I certainly don't blame them for unofficially agreeing on it to avoid this nonsense.
It wasn't resolved because they decided to take it upon themselves to go through other methods to deal with it!!
Of course it would've been resolved as sooner or later Ken or Gerri would've stepped in to say one way or the other. Although I prefer one option, I'd take an official view any day. Let's face it, it's painfully obvious that official views are few and far between, and even when they come down rules aren't updated. Part of me applauds how those that this affects most handled this and made it a non-issue for many years. I'd bet those that this affects are working it out now, and it will become another non-issue for years. I'm jealous. I wish I lived in Germany and used this program. Obviously they can sort their issues out without the drama these threads seem to bring by people the issue doesn't even apply to. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,216 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
I don't see how this is any different than subtitle situations ala X: The Man with the X-ray Eyes, Team America: World Police, 8MM: Eight Millimeter, Blood: The Last Vampire and so on. You mean "Team America - World Police" 4010884529784  and likewise "8MM - Acht Millimeter" and "Blood - The Last Vampire" Quote:
I would further argue that this should be the same rule as episode descriptors because there is no bright line between them. There is, if the OFFICAL GERMAN TITLES are written this way. cya, Mithi | | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
|   | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
I'm jealous. I wish I lived in Germany and used this program. Obviously they can sort their issues out without the drama these threads seem to bring by people the issue doesn't even apply to. Apparently they don't, because a local (feels like I'm talking like a Lostie ) has started this topic  | | | | Cor |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
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Quoting Alien Redrum:
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Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
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Quoting Alien Redrum:
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Common sense would also say that if this is the first time the issue has come up in a decade, it's been working pretty well for those that this issue affects.
It's because they've kept it quiet and out of the official forums until now. If it had been addressed through official channels it probably would've been resolved long ago.
Resolved? Are you serious? Have you seen these threads? It looks like it was resolved until this thread was started and now look at what you have.
I certainly don't blame them for unofficially agreeing on it to avoid this nonsense.
It wasn't resolved because they decided to take it upon themselves to go through other methods to deal with it!!
Of course it would've been resolved as sooner or later Ken or Gerri would've stepped in to say one way or the other. Although I prefer one option, I'd take an official view any day.
Let's face it, it's painfully obvious that official views are few and far between, and even when they come down rules aren't updated. Part of me applauds how those that this affects most handled this and made it a non-issue for many years.
I'd bet those that this affects are working it out now, and it will become another non-issue for years.
I'm jealous. I wish I lived in Germany and used this program. Obviously they can sort their issues out without the drama these threads seem to bring by people the issue doesn't even apply to. Oh I agree that we don't get official responses as often as I'd like. It would save on all these 11-12 page threads of effectively "You're an idiot", "You're a liar" While I understand what you're saying, I personally disagree. TigiHof's post that I've quoted previously basically says that they'll do whatever they want regardless of anything else. To me that suggests that they knew that it'd cause problems so they decided to not raise it through official means. As I mentioned earlier, I myself have a handful of German titles in my collection so the issue does apply to me. I didn't involve myself in the German forums as as far as I was aware, it was basically just there to repeat what is said here but for those whose English isn't necessarily good enough to communicate their message. |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
or take it from the front cover...
Snatch Schweine und Diamanten
This is absolute horrible and hurts the eyes. If it would be an American title, you would understand. |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mithi: Quote:
Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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I don't see how this is any different than subtitle situations ala X: The Man with the X-ray Eyes, Team America: World Police, 8MM: Eight Millimeter, Blood: The Last Vampire and so on.
You mean "Team America - World Police" 4010884529784
and likewise "8MM - Acht Millimeter" and "Blood - The Last Vampire"
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I would further argue that this should be the same rule as episode descriptors because there is no bright line between them.
There is, if the OFFICAL GERMAN TITLES are written this way.
cya, Mithi From the cover scan of Blood, it appears titles are indeed written this way in Germany. I think this rule needs to be language/locality specific. Colon is the convention in English, but not all languages use their punctuation in quite the same way. |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
While I understand what you're saying, I personally disagree. TigiHof's post that I've quoted previously basically says that they'll do whatever they want regardless of anything else. To me that suggests that they knew that it'd cause problems so they decided to not raise it through official means. I think we kind of agree here. Is it right that it was done unofficially? Debatable, but probably not. However, even with that, I certainly can't blame TigiHof and co., I will even go as far as saying they did what was necessary (to avoid this crap). I mean, honestly, that's why I agree with TigiHof. If things can be handled and agreed upon without the headache of a thread in the contribution forum, wouldn't you want to go the same route? I sure as hell would (and I do in a fashion, as I email people about questions I have, rather than start a thread). Quote:
As I mentioned earlier, I myself have a handful of German titles in my collection so the issue does apply to me. I didn't involve myself in the German forums as as far as I was aware, it was basically just there to repeat what is said here but for those whose English isn't necessarily good enough to communicate their message. I don't have many German titles (most of my imports come from the UK), and the ones I do I don't believe are affected by this. If I did have some, I honestly wouldn't care how it was done, because everything I've read leads my opinion to be that the way it currently is (with hyphens) is the proper way. Even with that, though, if the majority of people who own the titles said they prefer it with colons, I really wouldn't care. Regardless, this is something currently not addressed by the rules, and I can't see how anyone can be accused of not following rules that don't exist (Kathy said as much more eloquently than me a few pages back, and I gave her a green for it). | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
... 8MM: Eight Millimeter, ... I think thats how the the RC1 profiles are in database. German profiles are 8mm - Acht Milimeter. Btw, thats how it is in German IMDB, OFDB, Wikipedia, Amazon, ...  |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Quoting Alien Redrum:
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I'm jealous. I wish I lived in Germany and used this program. Obviously they can sort their issues out without the drama these threads seem to bring by people the issue doesn't even apply to.
Apparently they don't, because a local (feels like I'm talking like a Lostie ) has started this topic True. Someone wasn't at the meeting. (and what is a Lostie?) | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
Quoting Woola:
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Their is also nothing in the Rules that spells out colon/hypen or anything else as it pertains to the edition, but how does the program represent the Edition field by using a COLON.
That alone I would have thought would have provided a hint as to the answer.
Skip
Actually that one is a program option under -
Tools ---> Options ---> Display ---> Edition Format
You can choose between not showing the edition, with a colon, with a dash or between parentheses. But online it's always " : " to seperate the Edition! Or is this also effected by my local option?  |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | In view of the fact that title capitalization is locality (or rather: language) specific, I could imagine that the use of colons vs. hyphens in titles, other than for episodes and music, would be declared to be a language specific issue as well. But only Ken or Gerri can make that call. | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,216 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
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Snatch Schweine und Diamanten
This is absolute horrible and hurts the eyes. "Snatch pigs and diamonds" would be even worse  So "Snatch: Pigs and Diamonds" for you, "Snatch - Schweine und Diamanten" for us, and all is quiet in heaven. cya, Mithi | | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote:
(...) after alll why should France or Germany have any interest in R1 data, it's illegal for them to own R1 titles, so they have no interest...right? (...) Wrong, it's absolutely not illegal to own R1 titles in Germany. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote:
(...) When I confront situations , which seem unclear, I will look at the Rule,, the Online, even other collections to determine the answer. (...) So, looking at the online database and other collections of profiles with this kind of German titles, you would have to conclude that the hyphen is the correct solution. Me on the other hand, when I see a graphical enhanced title on the cover (in this case two lines with different font sizes), I ask myself the question: how would the film makers respectively the DVD makers use the title in normal (not graphically enhanced) text. And again, for those German titles I would conclude that the hyphen would be the correct solution. Therefore both methods, yours and mine, would come to the same conclusion in this case. BTW: I'm neither German nor do I live in Germany. It just happens that a vast majority of my DVD collection is bought from Germany. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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