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HD-DVD and Blu-Ray Cover Scans.....Banner or No Banner |
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 | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting Dan W:
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Are you for real? All I did was take his comment to it's logical conclusion.
 Uh...no. Every e-tailer, reviewer, print ad, DVD catalog program, release artwork, and slipcover etc that I've ever seen for HD DVD includes the banner. I cannot say the same for "the entire case" and I've not said that. I never suggested you did say that. All I did was take your comment to it's logical conclusion. So, how about an answer. Why not go all the way and scan the entire case? If you don't scan the entire case you have to manipulate the banner to have square corners. If the top of the case is part of the cover art, why isn't the rest of the cover? Why add just a portion of the top of the case that has to be manipulated to remove the shine in order to look right? Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
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Get over it. All I'm trying to do is see where people are on this issue so we can get it into the rules.
That's not all you're trying to do. You stacked the deck with the wording of the poll options. That's not 'seeing where people are'. That's pushing them where you want them. I didn't stack the deck. If we are to add these "banners" which are taken from the case or some download somewhere, we need to write a rule for it. If we are to scan the entire case, we need to write a rule for it. Otherwise, a mild clarification might need to be added and nothing more. Either way, the issue needs to be settled and a rule added to cover this issue. | | | | Dan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
But it does burn a little to have people who don't own these to now tell the rest of us that our work over the last year or so has to be changed. Only if you choose to.  | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,594 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
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Why did you vote?
Because, even though I don't presently own BD or HD titles, it doesn't mean that I don't plan to in the near future. What is decided here will affect what and how I will contribute scans to the database and I have every right to express my opinion in a public poll.
Good points. But it does burn a little to have people who don't own these to now tell the rest of us that our work over the last year or so has to be changed. Who is telling you how to do anything? A poll was initiated, I voted according to the poll options/my feelings on the subject. Don't get peeved at me...get peeved at Dan W...he started it  | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting 8ballMax:
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Why did you vote?
Because, even though I don't presently own BD or HD titles, it doesn't mean that I don't plan to in the near future. What is decided here will affect what and how I will contribute scans to the database and I have every right to express my opinion in a public poll.
Good points. But it does burn a little to have people who don't own these to now tell the rest of us that our work over the last year or so has to be changed. Here, here. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting m.cellophane:
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But it does burn a little to have people who don't own these to now tell the rest of us that our work over the last year or so has to be changed.
Only if you choose to. I agree, Hal!!! We have said no such thing. It's like any other thing in the db. Once the rule is added, the changes get made as they come. Nobody is being told any of their work has to be redone. All the rule tells us is that anything to be contributed must conform to the rules. If you don't feel like adding a scan then don't. Nobody is required to contribute a complete audit every time the submit something. | | | | Dan | | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
I never suggested you did say that. All I did was take your comment to it's logical conclusion. You think it's logical. I don't share that opinion. Quote:
So, how about an answer. Why not go all the way and scan the entire case? If you don't scan the entire case you have to manipulate the banner to have square corners. If the top of the case is part of the cover art, why isn't the rest of the cover? Why add just a portion of the top of the case that has to be manipulated to remove the shine in order to look right? The top part serves to differentiate the scan at a glance from a regular DVD. I find it helpful in the My Profiler online and in the PDA version. I even prefer it over the HD DVD logo in the progam. It's quick. I see it and I instantly know what it is. It's what I see when I have it in my hand. I find no value in the edges of the case. But just because I don't find value in the edge of the case doesn't mean I logically have to give up the very informative banner portion of what I consider part of the overall front cover. It's not an all-or-nothing situation. Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
I didn't stack the deck. If we are to add these "banners" which are taken from the case or some download somewhere, we need to write a rule for it. If we are to scan the entire case, we need to write a rule for it. Otherwise, a mild clarification might need to be added and nothing more.
Either way, the issue needs to be settled and a rule added to cover this issue. You called it a violation of the current rules, which I dispute. The rules don't mention this, as I said before. A clarification would be nice to eliminate ambiguity, but calling it a violation of the rules in the poll option itself is clearly stacking the deck. Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Who is telling you how to do anything? A poll was initiated, I voted according to the poll options/my feelings on the subject. Don't get peeved at me...get peeved at Dan W...he started it Hakuna matata; no worries.  | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
Quoting m.cellophane:
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Quoting Dan W:
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Get over it. All I'm trying to do is see where people are on this issue so we can get it into the rules.
That's not all you're trying to do. You stacked the deck with the wording of the poll options. That's not 'seeing where people are'. That's pushing them where you want them.
I didn't stack the deck. If we are to add these "banners" which are taken from the case or some download somewhere, we need to write a rule for it. If we are to scan the entire case, we need to write a rule for it. Otherwise, a mild clarification might need to be added and nothing more.
Either way, the issue needs to be settled and a rule added to cover this issue. I can see where it looks like the deck is stacked in favor of a specific result. The addition of, "Even though it's a violation of the current rules, add the banners," will make some people vote 'no' even if they don't agree. It is, after all, a rule violation so why would they vote for it? NOTE: I am not saying it was intentional, but it could skew the results. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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|  | Erik | | It's a strange world. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 422 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
So, how about an answer. Why not go all the way and scan the entire case? If you don't scan the entire case you have to manipulate the banner to have square corners. If the top of the case is part of the cover art, why isn't the rest of the cover? Why add just a portion of the top of the case that has to be manipulated to remove the shine in order to look right? What "shine"? The HD DVD logo/banner text is white. Try to talk about things you know a little bit about, perhaps... Quote:
I didn't stack the deck. - - - WIGAND (on the phone, angry) You manipulated me into this...! LOWELL That's BS, Jeff! WIGAND You greased the rails! LOWELL I greased the rails for a guy who wanted to say yes. I helped him to say yes. | | | Erik
"Has it ever occurred to you, man, that given the nature of all this new stuff, that, uh, instead of running around blaming me, that this whole thing might just be, not, you know, not just such a simple, but uh - you know?" -- The Dude, The Big Lebowski
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| | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Erik: Quote:
Quoting Dan W:
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So, how about an answer. Why not go all the way and scan the entire case? If you don't scan the entire case you have to manipulate the banner to have square corners. If the top of the case is part of the cover art, why isn't the rest of the cover? Why add just a portion of the top of the case that has to be manipulated to remove the shine in order to look right?
What "shine"? The HD DVD logo/banner text is white. Try to talk about things you know a little bit about, perhaps...
 | | | | Dan | | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
| | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | | Dan | | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Posts: 80 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Good points. But it does burn a little to have people who don't own these to now tell the rest of us that our work over the last year or so has to be changed. m.cellophane, 3 things: Ken hasn't made a rule yet. He owns HD discs. He experiences first-hand, what we're discussing.  Paul | | | | Last edited: by Paul Hillenbrand |
| | Erik | | It's a strange world. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 422 |
| | Posted: | | | | Dan, That top area which is a tiny bit curved varies from scanner to scanner. Now be a good lad and go remove the part of the poll James and Unicus69 also point out above. | | | Erik
"Has it ever occurred to you, man, that given the nature of all this new stuff, that, uh, instead of running around blaming me, that this whole thing might just be, not, you know, not just such a simple, but uh - you know?" -- The Dude, The Big Lebowski
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| | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Erik: Quote:
Dan,
That top area which is a tiny bit curved varies from scanner to scanner.
Now be a good lad and go remove the part of the poll James and Unicus69 also point out above. Be a good lad and admit that you forgot about the shine or haven't done any of your own scans. | | | | Dan |
| | Erik | | It's a strange world. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 422 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
Be a good lad and admit that you forgot about the shine or haven't done any of your own scans. I forgot nothing, and for the record I have scanned/contributed around 140 HD covers. You, deck stacker? | | | Erik
"Has it ever occurred to you, man, that given the nature of all this new stuff, that, uh, instead of running around blaming me, that this whole thing might just be, not, you know, not just such a simple, but uh - you know?" -- The Dude, The Big Lebowski
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| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,916 |
| | Posted: | | | | Be a good lad and scan only the paper part and add the HD-DVD banner. I even made nice ones for everyone to use. |
| | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Erik: Quote:
Quoting Dan W:
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Be a good lad and admit that you forgot about the shine or haven't done any of your own scans.
I forgot nothing, and for the record I have scanned/contributed around 140 HD covers.
You, deck stacker? | | | | Dan |
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