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Update to Friends Superbox RC1 Li. Edition planned

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	topbaer.de

Registered: May 20, 2007

Posts: 42

Posted:

i want to add new pictures of the Box and the Content.

The 10 Box-sets from the LE are already in the DB as standalone Version.
Example:
Complete Season 2: UPC: 085392273324

But in this LE-Box-Set they just put a sticker over the Original-UPC with the Number:
Complete Season 2: 012569758780

should i add the 10 Seasons to the LE Main box(with Own UPC) with the Original UPC
or should i use the New One's from the Sticker?

Filling the Content would be no Problem, they are identical except UPC,
so i download the Old UPC Profile,
add it to the Box and change the UPC.

And the Existing Picutures for the complete Box
a) front Image shows something from the LivingRoom where the Pictur was made around the Box,
and
b) Back image shows the Box with the Open Door from the Front Side again.

I believe this is not correct.

regards
michael

Last edited: by topbaer.de

	topbaer.de

Registered: May 20, 2007

Posts: 42

Posted:

Question and Problem unclear described or does nobody have an correct answer?
if i got know answer, i don`t contribute anything, since i don`t want to make it twice or so.

michael

	Tracer

Registered: March 13, 2007

Posts: 951

Posted:

Use the new UPC since that is what you see. I guess the only way you can get the other UPC is to pull off the sticker.

Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways.

	topbaer.de

Registered: May 20, 2007

Posts: 42

Posted:

Friends: The One With All Ten Seasons
Box UPC: 012569739871

So i added to the Existing Profile.

the Boxes from the separate Boxes and changed UPC. (i thought, pictures will be added later).
Because the Existing Profile doesn`t include the Boxes with all Information!

But i got this two negative comments, so it was declined:
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BYATES1 The box was available by itself empty so it really should not have any UPC's associated with it. These should be kept local only.
kewlcastud the existing profile is correct
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a) the Existing Profile is not Correct (kewlcastud is wrong here), because it has not all the Episodes, UPC Numbers or Cast included!
b) i don`t know if you could buy just the Box without the DVDs inside. But the bad Picture there just shows the Box with the DVD inside.
c) since the Price is for the complete Box, byates1 comment is stupid and refers to something different.
d) the separate DVDs have their own UPC, so they should be included in the Profile. (maybe someone later sells the Boxes separately.)
that`s how i understand the FAQ

So who`s wrong here? Me or the negative Voters? There were now other Votes.
Other Question: sometimes there is 14 days for the Vote, sometimes just 2 Days. where is this defined?

Michael

	BYATES1
	user since 4/15/2001

Registered: March 24, 2007

Posts: 179

Posted:

Michael,
In the individual release of Friends season 9 First pressing on March 8, 2005 there was a mail in card to receive the Friends complete collectors box. I ordered and received this empty box with UPC# (012569739871) sometime in July 2005. Unfortunately the released full box was made available on 11/15/2005 with the same UPC and loaded contents. I did not contribute the original profile and so I have no control over price or release date unless I wanted to change them. Grandchild profiles are coming soon to DVD Profiler so I am not messing with this profile until that happens. The rules basically state that a profile must contain the first run of any release regardless of how it may be available later on. When grandchildren profiles become available I will provide documentation to change this release with no profiles native to it. Until I see the rules for grandchildren I am making no changes. Price and picture are irrelevant to your argument because I did not submit them. I simply know that the box was available empty before it sold as a set. Which according to the rules is the only relevant fact. Unless you want to provide documentation that you purchased this item on 11/15/2005 changes will probably always be declined.

Brian

Last edited: by BYATES1

	topbaer.de

Registered: May 20, 2007

Posts: 42

Posted:

Quoting BYATES1:

Quote:
Michael,
In the individual release of Friends season 9 First pressing on March 8, 2005 there was a mail in card to receive the Friends complete collectors box. I ordered and received this empty box with UPC# (012569739871) sometime in July 2005. Unfortunately the released full box was made available on 11/15/2005 with the same UPC and loaded contents. I did not contribute the original profile and so I have no control over price or release date unless I wanted to change them. Grandchild profiles are coming soon to DVD Profiler so I am not messing with this profile until that happens. The rules basically state that a profile must contain the first run of any release regardless of how it may be available later on. When grandchildren profiles become available I will provide documentation to change this release with no profiles native to it. Until I see the rules for grandchildren I am making no changes. Price and picture are irrelevant to your argument because I did not submit them. I simply know that the box was available empty before it sold as a set. Which according to the rules is the only relevant fact. Unless you want to provide documentation that you purchased this item on 11/15/2005 changes will probably always be declined.

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=3945 (18th August 2005)
...
Fans who have already been collecting the DVDs need not be upset over the special packaging, though! Warner Home Video is very nicely making it available for consumers to get via a mail-in offer, which will be promoted inside new copies of Friends includingThe Complete 10th Season</b></i>. That offer is mentioned in the press release below, which Warner has very kindly sent over for us to share with our readers.
...

Don`t know what you got with Season 9. And where you got your information.
Sorry, but in this Case the Contribution Rule is stupid and sense less.
The Box was available complete with content which counts and not this MAIL In order special offer.
Then change for you box the UPC or leave it without content. But this Box without Content makes no sense at all. And the Box was only then availabe without Content from Warner directly, but today, you will just get the complete Box Set.

Since the Boxes are Linked to the Box, your decline was wrong, imho.

But if you believe that, it`s ok for you.

Then you should make new pictures without Content and override the existing Pictures.
i will stop adding changed content and contribute changes to the DB.
let the DB worse as it is.
I`m over with it.
It`s for me then wasting time to do it and then got this comments with Decline.

I know, some think different incl, the Owner ken, who made the Rules,
but i see now positve thing in how things are handled since the Move to Version 3.0

and i could read today in different postings, subject: "....stop contributing,"
that this don`t interesst someone here, when people stop contributing.

Thanks for the people who still contribute,
this DB has lived from the help of the Users, but when it`s more time consumpting
to explain and ask, then to add content, then the rules are stupid. I totally disagree with this rules.

you saved me a lot of time, Byates1.

EOT

M.

	Rifter
	Reg. Jan 27, 2002

Registered: March 13, 2007

Posts: 2,694

Posted:

Quoting topbaer.de:

Quote:
i want to add new pictures of the Box and the Content.

The 10 Box-sets from the LE are already in the DB as standalone Version.
Example:
Complete Season 2: UPC: 085392273324

But in this LE-Box-Set they just put a sticker over the Original-UPC with the Number:
Complete Season 2: 012569758780

should i add the 10 Seasons to the LE Main box(with Own UPC) with the Original UPC
or should i use the New One's from the Sticker?

Filling the Content would be no Problem, they are identical except UPC,
so i download the Old UPC Profile,
add it to the Box and change the UPC.

And the Existing Picutures for the complete Box
a) front Image shows something from the LivingRoom where the Pictur was made around the Box,
and
b) Back image shows the Box with the Open Door from the Front Side again.

I believe this is not correct.

regards
michael

Use the new UPC. If the contents is the same, you should be able to use the old profile and just change the UPC to match the new box.

John

"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again!

	RHo

Registered: March 13, 2007

Posts: 2,759

Posted:

Quoting BYATES1:

Quote:
Grandchild profiles are coming soon to DVD Profiler

How do you know? Only a couple of well known users are announcing this constantly. Have I missed an announcement by Invelos?

	BYATES1
	user since 4/15/2001

Registered: March 24, 2007

Posts: 179

Posted:

Sorry that you feel the way you do.

As to where I got my information that is part of my problem, I am very familiar with the press release from TV shows on DVD.com that you quoted I also still have the card from the Season 10 box. What it does not tell you is that there were previous boxes available and that they were not publicized . 2000 units to be exact. I only know this because mine is numbered 868 of 2000 on the bottom of the box. I have a postmarked box I will send to Ken and Gerri if the rules ever change. It is my belief that the subsequent 8000 made available were not numbered but I do not know this for sure as I have not seen the bottom of any of the later boxes. I do know they had many more requests for boxes than they ever had available. The original box was $10 for shipping and a friend of mine had his $10 returned for lack of boxes to fill an order on both occasions. I did not vote on the original data as I was on vacation when it was released in the database and original contributions are not put up for vote. I would not have contributed it either because it is against the rules to contribute empty boxes. Only DVD's. I would personally support you or anyone wanting to contribute the individual season sets with the stickered UPC's intact because Warner simply does this to prevent retailers from breaking the completed sets apart for individual sale but that is not my call. In this way anyone could easily add any UPC's they own to the box set and there would be no argument.

The reason we see things differently is that I believe Invelos owns the database that they allow us to use it at their discretion. They have every right to say what they want in the DB as to what to and what not to put into it. You are free not to use the data and keep your improved data locally. I have plenty of data I have not contributed because it violates the rules. I write my own overviews for movies because if I wanted to read the back cover I would go get the DVD off a shelf and do so. It is my opinion (and only my opinion) that the less data in the database the better off the database would be. It is kind of hard to dispute a running time, for example. If you choose not to contribute your efforts will be missed.

RHo - See Skip for info On this he said so in the forums somewhere. I honestly have no firsthand knowledge of this. Skip may stretch the truth but he does not lie. Warning he may not be talking.

Brian

	topbaer.de

Registered: May 20, 2007

Posts: 42

Posted:

Quoting Rifter:

Quote:
Quoting topbaer.de:
Quote:
i want to add new pictures of the Box and the Content.

The 10 Box-sets from the LE are already in the DB as standalone Version.
Example:
Complete Season 2: UPC: 085392273324

But in this LE-Box-Set they just put a sticker over the Original-UPC with the Number:
Complete Season 2: 012569758780

should i add the 10 Seasons to the LE Main box(with Own UPC) with the Original UPC
or should i use the New One's from the Sticker?

Filling the Content would be no Problem, they are identical except UPC,
so i download the Old UPC Profile,
add it to the Box and change the UPC.

And the Existing Picutures for the complete Box
a) front Image shows something from the LivingRoom where the Pictur was made around the Box,
and
b) Back image shows the Box with the Open Door from the Front Side again.

I believe this is not correct.

regards
michael

Use the new UPC. If the contents is the same, you should be able to use the old profile and just change the UPC to match the new box.

I already did that and upload the UPC-Change Profiles. but got the negativ Votes for other reasons.

Which i explained today, that i believe they are wrong votes.
But reading some posts here in the Forum, helping seems not welcome anymore (even from Ken)
So i don`t care/interesseted anymore for Contributing, because the Contribution rules are to time wasting/stupid/senseless imho to read before, afterwards and then get negatvie (i agree to some of the Rules, but not many, that`s a different story).
Others (BYATES1 for Example) have more expirience in this stuff, so they should do it and be happy.

michael

	RHo

Registered: March 13, 2007

Posts: 2,759

Posted:

Quoting BYATES1:

Quote:
RHo - See Skip for info On this he said so in the forums somewhere. I honestly have no firsthand knowledge of this. Skip may stretch the truth but he does not lie. Warning he may not be talking.

He has also owned a copy of profiler version 2.6 and he knew about a law suit between Amazon (IMDb) and IVS if I remember correctly.