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I think (hope) what Ken was saying is that...

Any slipcase that contains one movie in a single keep case, digipack, slimpak, what have you.. that case type is decieded by what holds the disc.

However, if a digipak or fat keep case holds mutiple movies on multiple discs and is contained in a slip case, the slip case is what you use for the case type of the box set (parent) profile.


And I think (hope) what he was saying is this...

"Only use slipcase as case type if there are more than one case inside it". To me that also fits what I see as a box set (if we forget the dvdprofiler definition)

We obviously wont agree on this at all, so why not try to work further on Rifter's suggestions in the other thread and try to convince Ken to make a solution that is workable for both camps?

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At the moment, TV Sets do not fall under the catagory of 'Box Sets'.  If they did, child profiles would not be optional.  It may not make sense, but those are the rules.


No... but do we know if Ken used the definition of Box set made in the rules or did he use it as most people would... a collection of physical items inside a box?


Nope, we don't know which definition he used.  As I have said, this is just my take on it.  If Ken decides to clarify his statement, and prove me wrong, I will accept that and move on.

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I think Ken made his statement so vague just because he wanted to see for how many pages we could argue. 


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At the moment, TV Sets do not fall under the catagory of 'Box Sets'.  If they did, child profiles would not be optional.  It may not make sense, but those are the rules.


It doesn't make sense relative to the "Slip Case" case type.

If you are saying that "Slip Case" cannot be used for TV Sets, I would strenuously disagree, especially since when Ken made this change, he changed a bunch of TV Set "Boxset" case types to "Slip Case" in the main db.


Your strenuous disagreement is based on faulty logic.  Ken changed the case type 'Box Set' to 'Slip Case' in the program.  ANY profile that had 'Box Set' as a case type was automatically changed.  The fact that there were TV sets changed as well doesn't mean anything.

The fact remains that, at the moment, Box Set rules do not apply to TV Series sets.


Just so that us dummies are clear on this..... Ken changed a bunch of TV Sets to "Slip Case" case types in the main database, but your interpretation is that based on his recent statement here in the forums, we cannot use "Slip Case" for case type for TV Sets going forward because they are not technically a profile type of "Boxset"

Did I get that right?
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I've got to agree with Hal here (at least I think I am, this thread has got very confusing!), you're reading way too much into Ken's statement. I can see no reason why we can't use slipcase as a case type for TV boxsets (if appropriate). We can profile these as boxsets, therefore we can use this case type.
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At the moment, TV Sets do not fall under the catagory of 'Box Sets'.  If they did, child profiles would not be optional.  It may not make sense, but those are the rules.


It doesn't make sense relative to the "Slip Case" case type.

If you are saying that "Slip Case" cannot be used for TV Sets, I would strenuously disagree, especially since when Ken made this change, he changed a bunch of TV Set "Boxset" case types to "Slip Case" in the main db.


Your strenuous disagreement is based on faulty logic.  Ken changed the case type 'Box Set' to 'Slip Case' in the program.  ANY profile that had 'Box Set' as a case type was automatically changed.  The fact that there were TV sets changed as well doesn't mean anything.

The fact remains that, at the moment, Box Set rules do not apply to TV Series sets.


Just so that us dummies are clear on this..... Ken changed a bunch of TV Sets to "Slip Case" case types in the main database, but your interpretation is that based on his recent statement here in the forums, we cannot use "Slip Case" for case type for TV Sets going forward because they are not technically a profile type of "Boxset"

Did I get that right?


I honestly don't see why you keep saying this...Ken didn't change any TV set profiles to 'Slip Case' case type.  As a matter of fact, he didn't change a single profile.  He changed 'Box Set' to 'Slip Case' in the program.  Because it was a program change, it automatically updated every profile that had 'box set' as a case type.  Claiming that as some sort of endorsement is just illogical. 

As to the rest, the rules say what they say.  TV sets can be treated like box sets.  So I guess you can use slip case as the case type.  You may find, however, that those people who don't want to treat them as box sets, will argue with you and will want the inner case as the case type.
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I've got to agree with Hal here (at least I think I am, this thread has got very confusing!), you're reading way too much into Ken's statement. I can see no reason why we can't use slipcase as a case type for TV boxsets (if appropriate). We can profile these as boxsets, therefore we can use this case type.


North:

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Why in hell don't we knock off all this bickering,

I made a proposal (Method 1) that will eliminate all of it.  Why don't we all get behind it and recommend that Ken put it in place?

Or it that just too much to expect?
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I've got to agree with Hal here (at least I think I am, this thread has got very confusing!), you're reading way too much into Ken's statement. I can see no reason why we can't use slipcase as a case type for TV boxsets (if appropriate). We can profile these as boxsets, therefore we can use this case type.


Sorry North, I missed your post.

Yes, because a TV set can be treated like a Box Set, I am sure you can use 'slip case' as the case type for the parent.  The problem you are going to run into is that those people who don't treat them like box sets might want to use the inner case for the case type instead of the outer.
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Why in hell don't we knock off all this bickering,

I made a proposal (Method 1) that will eliminate all of it.  Why don't we all get behind it and recommend that Ken put it in place?

Or it that just too much to expect?

There was an answer to all of this before Ken mucked it up which was far simpler than anything you have come up with. That answer was to use the case type and ignore the content completely. After-all, we are talking about the case type field and nothing else.

Calling the case type other than what it is creates problems. To call a case type because of it's contents is nonsensical.
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Why in hell don't we knock off all this bickering,

I made a proposal (Method 1) that will eliminate all of it.  Why don't we all get behind it and recommend that Ken put it in place?

Or it that just too much to expect?

There was an answer to all of this before Ken mucked it up which was far simpler than anything you have come up with. That answer was to use the case type and ignore the content completely. After-all, we are talking about the case type field and nothing else.

Calling the case type other than what it is creates problems. To call a case type because of it's contents is nonsensical.


That may all very well be true, but its a moot point now.  The horse is already out of the barn.  Going all the way back to restart where you suggest would be far more confusing for most users (and still far too susceptible to interpretation) than my suggestion.  But I agree that it should have been done differently to start with.  Now though, we have to play the cards we've been dealt.
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Why in hell don't we knock off all this bickering,

I made a proposal (Method 1) that will eliminate all of it.  Why don't we all get behind it and recommend that Ken put it in place?

Or it that just too much to expect?

There was an answer to all of this before Ken mucked it up which was far simpler than anything you have come up with. That answer was to use the case type and ignore the content completely. After-all, we are talking about the case type field and nothing else.

Calling the case type other than what it is creates problems. To call a case type because of it's contents is nonsensical.


That may all very well be true, but its a moot point now.  The horse is already out of the barn.  Going all the way back to restart where you suggest would be far more confusing for most users (and still far too susceptible to interpretation) than my suggestion.  But I agree that it should have been done differently to start with.  Now though, we have to play the cards we've been dealt.

That's where you're wrong. You see, I don't have to do anything according to the rules or what Ken suggests. I will continue to do it the way I have been doing it for the past several years and if it gets declined, it gets declined.

You guys are chasing your tails here. Regardless what you come up with, it's a work-around due to Ken's strange idea of what a case type is. Someone is always going to find another way to twist it and you will never settle this issue. This is why I said, you're on your own on this and you guys can try to settle it between yourselves.

There is already copious amounts of this kind of trash in this db. This torrent in the case types is just another addition to the heap so the reality is, it makes no difference.
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due to Ken's strange idea of what a case type is.

That may very well be, but the way I see it, is that Ken's "strange idea" happens to match the outcome of each and every poll on the subject. For me personally, Ken's changes combined with his clarification is more than enough. Like you, I will continue to do it the way I have been doing it for the past several years. As of yet, I have never had a single voter disagree with me on case type, so I feel I'm okay.

As for Rifter's suggestions: if we're really going to push for something else, than I favor Hal's proposal. Remove "box set"/"slip case" as a choice from the drop-down menu altogether, and instead add a "slip case" checkbox. You then just pick the appropriate case type from the drop-down menu, and if it comes in a slipcase, you also tick the checkbox. If it doesn't, you don't. Wouldn't leave any room for confusion, I'd say...
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I think some TV sets are Slip cases, and some are not.  If like the Wings sets, it's three thinpaks housed in a slip case, then it is a Slip Case.  If it's like Babylon 5 where the season is in one whopping digipak in a slp case, it's still a Digipak. 

If there's a single case inside a slip case, then use the interior case type.  If there is more than one case inside a slip case, then use "Slip Case."  Seems pretty simple to me--no need to differentiate TV from everything else.
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I think some TV sets are Slip cases, and some are not.  If like the Wings sets, it's three thinpaks housed in a slip case, then it is a Slip Case.  If it's like Babylon 5 where the season is in one whopping digipak in a slp case, it's still a Digipak. 

If there's a single case inside a slip case, then use the interior case type.  If there is more than one case inside a slip case, then use "Slip Case."  Seems pretty simple to me--no need to differentiate TV from everything else.



Come on.  That's like calling the plastic bag that holds the apples an apple.  As I said already, a Digipak is a brand name for a unit that holds one disc.  Multiple digipaks hold multiple discs.  Multiple discs makes it a box set.
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due to Ken's strange idea of what a case type is.

That may very well be, but the way I see it, is that Ken's "strange idea" happens to match the outcome of each and every poll on the subject. For me personally, Ken's changes combined with his clarification is more than enough. Like you, I will continue to do it the way I have been doing it for the past several years. As of yet, I have never had a single voter disagree with me on case type, so I feel I'm okay.

As for Rifter's suggestions: if we're really going to push for something else, than I favor Hal's proposal. Remove "box set"/"slip case" as a choice from the drop-down menu altogether, and instead add a "slip case" checkbox. You then just pick the appropriate case type from the drop-down menu, and if it comes in a slipcase, you also tick the checkbox. If it doesn't, you don't. Wouldn't leave any room for confusion, I'd say...


One difference is that polls do not mean anything, if they fly in the face  best usability and best defining what is happening, they are nothing more than opinions, which MAY be valuable and may NOT. As a programmer polls are useful, but they have should have no impcat unless the data and the poll converge.

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Multiple digipaks hold multiple discs.  Multiple discs makes it a box set.


Don't be absurd.  A digipak that holds 6 discs is still a single case.  If there were six separate digipaks in a slip case, then you'd be right.  But I've never seen that.  Box set is no longer an option for case type.
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