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TV series: are episode synopses allowed in child profiles?
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Well, if nothing in the rules applies to TV show child profiles, doesn't that force us to the default rule about only using the back cover overview? Otherwise we can put whatever we want in the child profile overview exactly because there is nothing in the rules.


Gotta agree with you here.  If there is not a clarification for child profiles, for a particular section of the profile, then it defaults to the standard rule.



And you would be wrong.  Take a look at the major TV season sets like Stargate, or Battlestar, Sex in the City, 24, etc.  Every single one of them has a simple episode list in the format we agreed on, WITH whatever short plot blurb was included for each episode either from the disc cover or the included episode booklet.



If we default to the standard rules of Overviews the Rules state........

When there is no overview on the case, add a simple, self-written overview of 1-2 paragraphs. Do not include spoilers and always match the overview language to the profile's locality.
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The rule would default to the general overview rules. In which you would copy the overview exactly as it appears. That would include episode numer, title, and synopsis...
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The rule would default to the general overview rules. In which you would copy the overview exactly as it appears. That would include episode numer, title, and synopsis...


And we have always been able to use the synopsis for episodes that comes in the box on a pamphlet/flyer or printed inside the case as well as on back covers.
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The rule would default to the general overview rules. In which you would copy the overview exactly as it appears. That would include episode numer, title, and synopsis...


And we have always been able to use the synopsis for episodes that comes in the box on a pamphlet/flyer or printed inside the case as well as on back covers.


That is so very true.
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If the disc case itself has episode titles and espisode overviews, such as a keepcase or thinpak, then sure, use the synopsis. But if the disk is part of a multi-disc set in a single case, then you need to use what is on the back of the case, not in the booklet and not make up your own.
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If the disc case itself has episode titles and espisode overviews, such as a keepcase or thinpak, then sure, use the synopsis. But if the disk is part of a multi-disc set in a single case, then you need to use what is on the back of the case, not in the booklet and not make up your own.


According to you, where does it prohibit this in the rules?
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Well, if nothing in the rules applies to TV show child profiles, doesn't that force us to the default rule about only using the back cover overview? Otherwise we can put whatever we want in the child profile overview exactly because there is nothing in the rules.


Gotta agree with you here.  If there is not a clarification for child profiles, for a particular section of the profile, then it defaults to the standard rule.



And you would be wrong.  Take a look at the major TV season sets like Stargate, or Battlestar, Sex in the City, 24, etc.  Every single one of them has a simple episode list in the format we agreed on, WITH whatever short plot blurb was included for each episode either from the disc cover or the included episode booklet.


You really need to learn how to read and comprehend.  Do you see what it says in the quote I responded to?  Here let me help you:

"doesn't that force us to the default rule about only using the back cover overview?"

So yes, if the episode synopsis is on the back of the DVD case, you have to include it.  However, you can not create your own episode synopsis if one isn't on the case.  You can add a simple episode list, but not an episode synopsis.
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If the disc case itself has episode titles and espisode overviews, such as a keepcase or thinpak, then sure, use the synopsis. But if the disk is part of a multi-disc set in a single case, then you need to use what is on the back of the case, not in the booklet and not make up your own.


According to you, where does it prohibit this in the rules?


In the 'General Overview Rule', that you just mentioned above, where it says, "Overviews should match the back of the DVD case exactly,"  It doesn't say you can use the booklet that is included inside.
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If the disc case itself has episode titles and espisode overviews, such as a keepcase or thinpak, then sure, use the synopsis. But if the disk is part of a multi-disc set in a single case, then you need to use what is on the back of the case, not in the booklet and not make up your own.


According to you, where does it prohibit this in the rules?


In the 'General Overview Rule', that you just mentioned above, where it says, "Overviews should match the back of the DVD case exactly,"  It doesn't say you can use the booklet that is included inside.


If an overview doe snot exist, you can create your own. So, why can't you copy somehting that is already written as your own? I don't see a rule against doing so.
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If the disc case itself has episode titles and espisode overviews, such as a keepcase or thinpak, then sure, use the synopsis. But if the disk is part of a multi-disc set in a single case, then you need to use what is on the back of the case, not in the booklet and not make up your own.


According to you, where does it prohibit this in the rules?


In the 'General Overview Rule', that you just mentioned above, where it says, "Overviews should match the back of the DVD case exactly,"  It doesn't say you can use the booklet that is included inside.


If an overview doe snot exist, you can create your own. So, why can't you copy somehting that is already written as your own? I don't see a rule against doing so.


The statement you responded to said you had to use what was on the case, not made up and not from a booklet.  Maybe I am missing something here, but that seems to indicate that there was an overview on the case.  In that context, your statement didn't make any sense to me because he wasn't talking about a case where an overview didn't exist.  Perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying. 
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Maybe we're both a little confused

What I am saying is that in cases where there are no overviews, we're allowed to make one up.

The same would hold true for episode synopsis on child profiles, if they don't exist, we should make them up. Or, instead of making them up, we could use an inert or booket as this is not against any rules I have read.

Rememeber, we're tsalking about child profiles here, not the parent profile that has it's own overview rules.

There was another argument that is saying we should not use a synopsis even if it is on the case. This would be the first part of the rule that I quoted, as to copying the case as it appears for the overview.

Does this make sense or did I confuse you more?
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Maybe we're both a little confused


Wouldn't be the first time. 

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What I am saying is that in cases where there are no overviews, we're allowed to make one up.


Agreed.

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The same would hold true for episode synopsis on child profiles, if they don't exist, we should make them up. Or, instead of making them up, we could use an inert or booket as this is not against any rules I have read.


I think I agree.  I don't think I own a single set that doesn't have an overview of some kind but I won't say there aren't any so...I think I agree. 

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Rememeber, we're tsalking about child profiles here, not the parent profile that has it's own overview rules.

There was another argument that is saying we should not use a synopsis even if it is on the case. This would be the first part of the rule that I quoted, as to copying the case as it appears for the overview.


If it is on the case, then yes, it is included in the overview.

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Does this make sense or did I confuse you more?


Nope, perfect sense.
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Maybe we're both a little confused

What I am saying is that in cases where there are no overviews, we're allowed to make one up.

The same would hold true for episode synopsis on child profiles, if they don't exist, we should make them up. Or, instead of making them up, we could use an inert or booket as this is not against any rules I have read.

Rememeber, we're tsalking about child profiles here, not the parent profile that has it's own overview rules.

There was another argument that is saying we should not use a synopsis even if it is on the case. This would be the first part of the rule that I quoted, as to copying the case as it appears for the overview.

Does this make sense or did I confuse you more?


Since the TV Set Overview Rules specifically state that they are for "Complete Series/Season & Anthologies of Episodes", It would be logical that the General Overview Rule would then apply to child profiles.

Under that Rule, you take the Overview from the back of the DVD case.  If there is no Overview on the back of the DVD case, you can make up your own.

That means you can either make up one entirely out of your head, or use some other source, one of which would be the individual cases of the children, or an included booklet, or any other source (just be careful of plagiarism).  Any of these would be "correct" under the Rules.

We probably should amend the Rules to state that synopses on the child case would be first choice, then booklets then personal write-up.
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