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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | And it can ALL be done, Lopek....LOCALLY without expending additional thousands of man-hours from the entire Community, the only time required is that of the individual user to modify the data to HIS preference. What is it you don't comprehend about that.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,433 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip, please drop your attitude. It really makes you look rather disruptive to the community.
All that is being discussed is making the item under discussion a "feature request", or better an item to be discussed in the Rules forum. After it would have been put up for a poll and before it would be presented to Ken, who would have the final word. In the end it would be what the majority and Ken wants.
Nobody is suggesting to do things like that right now. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 90 |
| | Posted: | | | | I like James' idea a lot! And I don't see any problem to implement that in the online database, apart from the mass contribution issue  | | | | Laura |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You also fail to see the shortcomings in that system. Shortcomings that should be dealt with ONLY on a local level.
Take for example Star Trek TOS
There is no set order for the seven cast members that appear in nearly every episode, it varies from show to show, the ONLY constant is top three. So the concerns about all of this woud not be answered at all.
Some would no doubt say well list the seven and then everybody else, except that isn't he way it works.
I think James has a fine idea but it's implementation has to be done on a local level ONLY.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 813 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes, lets do everything locally, lets forget about the online contribution element of DVDP.  Why are we bothering contributing the new case types, they CAN be added LOCALLY by each individual, same with any cast, the CoOs,..... If a lot of people want this functionality, why force everyone to do it locally? How does that benefit the community?  I certainly can't comprehend a desire for force people to individually implement an improvement locally if it could be shared between everyone. Skipworld never ceases to confuse me... thankfully. | | | Andy 
"Credited as" Names Database |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 813 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
You also fail to see the shortcomings in that system. Shortcomings that should be dealt with ONLY on a local level.
Take for example Star Trek TOS
There is no set order for the seven cast members that appear in nearly every episode, it varies from show to show, the ONLY constant is top three. So the concerns about all of this woud not be answered at all.
Some would no doubt say well list the seven and then everybody else, except that isn't he way it works.
I think James has a fine idea but it's implementation has to be done on a local level ONLY.
Skip Always the problems, never the solutions. | | | Andy
"Credited as" Names Database |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lopek: Quote:
Yes, lets do everything locally, lets forget about the online contribution element of DVDP.
Why are we bothering contributing the new case types, they CAN be added LOCALLY by each individual, same with any cast, the CoOs,.....
If a lot of people want this functionality, why force everyone to do it locally? How does that benefit the community?
I certainly can't comprehend a desire for force people to individually implement an improvement locally if it could be shared between everyone. Skipworld never ceases to confuse me... thankfully. Clueless... alot of people want to do it another way, and a lot of people like it this way, and some more people would more than likely prefer yet something else. Not to mention those that worship on the altar of IMDb and all the attendant inaccuracies. Why are you willing to ignore others to servicve YOUR own agenda. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,029 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
alot of people want to do it another way, and a lot of people like it this way ... and the program is designed to work a certain way. For anyone who just tuned in and doesn't want to wade through the "Skipticisms" of the previous pages, we are basically still here: The job of the online database is to provide data that are consistent with the functionality of the program. So in honor of Skip's repeat-the-same-again-and-again approach, I quote myself from the previous page: Quoting goodguy: Quote:
Maybe someone should start a poll and follow up with a rule change proposal if the poll results justify it.
Basically, I see 3 options:
Leave it as it is. Follow the end credits.
Use m.cellophane's approach: put a duplicate of the top-billed actors first, followed by a divder, followed by the end credits.
Just move the top-billed actors first without duplicating them.
It should be pointed out that the current rules damage program functionality in various areas, including:
Movie Pick
Detail View
Reports
PDA And no, I won't do it. While I might be an expert in some areas, I certainly lack the discipline and calmness required to moderate such a proposal despite Skip's constant obstructions. | | | | Matthias |
| | Registered: April 7, 2007 | | Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | So what is the fuctionality of the current set up? It's not as credited and not usable with certain built in functions and external reports etc. What functionality would we loose if we went another way? The most functionalty would come from: Quote:
put a duplicate of the top-billed actors first, followed by a divder, followed by the end credits This would be most in keeping to the as credited ethos. And would allow everything to work whilst still allowing a listing of the end credits. So actually in this case they could Quote:
all be handled by the online The only downside would be the same as every rule change (and this is a big isssue) the huge number of updated profiles to vote on. It may be that Invelos take the (in my opinion possibly reasonable) view that the extra work and bandwidth caused by this change would outweigh the benefits. But I don't see any merit to a loss of functionality argument. It's all gain and no loss. I did think about the extra work to profile and verify BUT in my view currently there is always a need to check opening credits: Studio orderTo check if cast/crew appear in the opening but NOT the end credits. | | | | Last edited: by Graveworm |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Goodguy:
We even had users trying to impose THEIR sort on the database, so that all the James Bonds would be together as THEY wanted it to be, to hell with somebody that wanted to look up Thunderball, they weren't going to find it un;less they knew how it was sorted that week. I feel I must point out, since you keep bringing this up as an example, that this was allowed in the old guidelines. The guidelines said, and I am paraphrasing, that you could 'adjust' the sort tiltle so that films in a series would sort in proper order. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
It was also recognized that that would not suit everyone , in fact it was recognized that NO answer would suit EVERYONE, if another standard had been adopted, someone would be whining about that and their complaint would be evry bit as valid as yours. I haven't read the entire thread yet so forgive me if this was already covered but, if you couldn't recognize that there was another standard that would wuite just about everyone, you didn't look hard enough. The answer is so obvious at is so obvious, my kids could figure it out.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Polls have been taken on this before, grave. and the answer has been the same. You people are simpluy UNBELIEVABLE. Waaaahh. sheesh
I am expecting a fresh shipment of cheese on Monday.
Skip I have been here almost as long as you have and I have yet to see a poll on this. Perhaps you could provide us with one or two of these imagined polls? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
You THINK I am alone, Lopek. You couldn't be more wrong. The difference between me and you and others is that I bring no personal agenda to the dance. I just happen to be the most vocal.
Skip Sorry Skip but that simply isn't true. Whether you want to admit it or not, you have a personal agenda. If you didn't, you wouldn't get as upset and insulting as you often do. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
You also fail to see the shortcomings in that system. Shortcomings that should be dealt with ONLY on a local level.
Take for example Star Trek TOS
There is no set order for the seven cast members that appear in nearly every episode, it varies from show to show, the ONLY constant is top three. So the concerns about all of this woud not be answered at all.
Some would no doubt say well list the seven and then everybody else, except that isn't he way it works.
I think James has a fine idea but it's implementation has to be done on a local level ONLY.
Skip You need to pick a different example. TV Series sets are handled differently and won't work with reports anyway. Each episode has a complete cast list in the order that they are presented in the opening and closing credits. You can have 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, etc. cast lists in a single profile. Films, on the other hand, are a single entity and have a single cast. Usually, main actors listed in the beginning and then all actors listed at the end. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Clueless... alot of people want to do it another way, and a lot of people like it this way, and some more people would more than likely prefer yet something else. Not to mention those that worship on the altar of IMDb and all the attendant inaccuracies.
Why are you willing to ignore others to servicve YOUR own agenda.
Skip Prove it. You keep saying this yet have nothing, at least that I have seen, to back it up. I would hazard to guess that most people, given the option, would prefer the 'main' stars be listed at the beginning of the cast list. Why? Becaust that is all most people are interested in. Man, I really have to stop taking a night off...way too many posts to keep up with.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,595 |
| | Posted: | | | | Personally, I think this is a bad idea. For one thing it just bloats the database with redundant data. Secondly it doubles the results when double clicking on an actor's name to see what other films that actor played in.
How about a checkbox instead for top billed? | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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