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Cast members credited as a group with a divider
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registranttkettula
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Hi! I'm thinking of how to vote on a contribution with a change in the cast crediting style. The end credits show a heading "Choir Members" and under that the names of a bunch of people. Previously the profile had each of these names credited with the role "Choir Member" and no dividers in the cast list. The contribution calls for a change to have a divider "Choir Members" and under that the names with role set to empty.

While this certainly makes the cast list in the profiler look similar to the one seen on screen in the end credits, it loses the role information on each person, and hence a search for those actors will show an empty role for this movie. The way I see it, these people are credited with "Choir Member" role, so I don't like losing that info. The rules say to "list names exactly as they are in the credits", but I'm not sure how to interpret that. Is it "exactly the way it looks like on screen" (divider plus names with empty roles) or "exactly as credited" (a bunch of people each credited with "Choir Member" role). Should we use a divider at all in this case?
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Use of the divider is fine because the film's credits use it...but the roles should not be omitted.
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Concur.  Dividers are fine if they reflect headers in the credits.  I've submitted changes like this (adding dividers) and people preferred not to lose the role information, so i've kept it as well.

If that header, Choir Members, is the only header/divider it's not really worth adding, but it's acceptable.
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Agree as well.
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Dividers should not be used for group credits. Dividers and group roles are completely different beasts IMO.
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I agQuoting tkettula:

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The rules say to "list names exactly as they are in the credits",


Yes, but I think a grain of salt is needed. 

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exactly as credited" (a bunch of people each credited with "Choir Member" role).


That's the only interpretation that makes sense to me.

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Should we use a divider at all in this case?


I'd say Yes, if it reflects headers in the film's credits, as others said, as long as the role information for each member of cast is not lost. Otherwise, I would vote No.
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Quoting 8ballMax:
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Use of the divider is fine because the film's credits use it...but the roles should not be omitted.


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Ok, thanks everyone!
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Dividers should not be used for group credits. Dividers and group roles are completely different beasts IMO.


What he said

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I was just about to ask the same as the topic starter, with the difference being that I submitted a profile with a similar change which got declined. I, however, deleted the roles names, but I now see this is wrong because you lose the role info for the cast members below the header. Time to resubmit.
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Quoting 8ballMax:
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Use of the divider is fine because the film's credits use it...but the roles should not be omitted.


That would be correct.

You should vote no on the contribution.
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Yes, adding dividers should not lead to empty roles. So if this is the case they should not be used.
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I've tried it both ways and it (a) looks cleaner (b) avoids duplication of effort, if the group is identified by a divider and the roles omitted. Strangely, in the one instance I've done this, the film makers apparently couldn't make their minds up either, they bunched 'sailors' under a group heading and individually role-identified a bunch of 'cousins.'
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I've tried it both ways and it (a) looks cleaner (b) avoids duplication of effort, if the group is identified by a divider and the roles omitted. Strangely, in the one instance I've done this, the film makers apparently couldn't make their minds up either, they bunched 'sailors' under a group heading and individually role-identified a bunch of 'cousins.'


The problem with doing it this way is what tkettula mentioned in the first post:

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While this certainly makes the cast list in the profiler look similar to the one seen on screen in the end credits, it loses the role information on each person, and hence a search for those actors will show an empty role for this movie.


I made a thread concerning this in the Feature Requests forum back in May, http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=160338
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Use of the divider is fine because the film's credits use it...but the roles should not be omitted.


What he said.


What he agreed with
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I think I'm too late to second or third this, so I'll got with I'll 15th this!!! 

Definitely agree that dividers should not cause the role to be blanked.
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