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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Posts: 72 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hello Everyone.
I just inserted my Pirates of the Caribbean Curse of teh Black Pearl (786936224306) disc 1 into the computer and Profiler says it is unrecognized. It has a diffrent ID then what is in the data base. I assume the data base is also correct... So why the diffrent ID. Yes, this is a retail version, yes it was purchesed around the time of the DVD release, and finally yes it is a non-pireted disc.
I assume Profiler is correct, but so would my disc ID. Could it have been pressed at a diffrent time, so a diffrent ID? I am not going to submit a new ID, since that would mess other people up..
What does everyone think? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is an OLD issue, Dog. There can be multiple Disc IDs, since none of us are involved direcctly in the industry nobody knows exact;y wht this is true. But some possibilities tha might explain this would be different pressings of the same disc, different production plants, etc. the database records every Disc ID presented to it regardless of what is shown at the current time, which if you have run into any of my Contributions is why I include the specific Disc ID data in my notes. That way if you submit a different ID, I can refer to my Contribution Notes and see that despite what the system might. be showing it has already captured my particular disc ID. So yes Contribute your Disc ID.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,916 |
| | Posted: | | | | To contribute a new Disc ID, double-click on the movie to bring up the edit screen with the DVD already in the drive. On the left side, click on the "Discs" tab or press ALT-S. Look for the "Side A" section and press the SET button. You will see the Disc ID update to match yours.
For contribution notes, say that you're adding a new Disc ID to the database. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 347 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is just why I am having such a time with contributions. I read the rules one way ... other people read them another way.
I had voted YES to this contribution (Pirates of the Caribbean Curse of teh Black Pearl (786936224306)) and then went back in to see what others were voting and saw a comment in there from 8ballMax. His comment was CORRECT.
He quoted the rule stating that you do not do JUST the ID ... you must be doing a wider contribution.
See what I mean? Not trying to start trouble ... just get so confused when rules aren't followed.
Here is a copy of the rule that I copied and pasted here (bold is me):
Disc IDs
Add disc information for each disc using a DVD-ROM drive. Use the default descriptions wherever possible; do not change "Main Feature" to the film’s title. Use one description per disc. If a disc is double-sided, there is only one description for that disc.
Do not enter each side as a separate disc.
If a movie is on both sides of a disc in Widescreen and Pan & Scan or Full Frame versions, identify this by entering the Side A description as "Main Feature (Widescreen)" and the Side B description as "Main Feature (Pan & Scan)" or "Main Feature (Full Frame)", or the reverse if that is the order on the disc sides.
If a film spans 2 discs, add (Part 1) and (Part 2) to the “Main Feature” description.
If your Disc ID differs from the Disc ID in the main database, you may change it and re-contribute it if you are doing a wider contribution, but don't make a specific contribution for this reason. All Disc IDs will be stored in the main database for a future development of DVD Profiler.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,594 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mwkirchner: Quote:
This is just why I am having such a time with contributions. I read the rules one way ... other people read them another way.
I had voted YES to this contribution (Pirates of the Caribbean Curse of teh Black Pearl (786936224306)) and then went back in to see what others were voting and saw a comment in there from 8ballMax. His comment was CORRECT.
He quoted the rule stating that you do not do JUST the ID ... you must be doing a wider contribution.
See what I mean? Not trying to start trouble ... just get so confused when rules aren't followed.
Here is a copy of the rule that I copied and pasted here (bold is me):
Disc IDs
Add disc information for each disc using a DVD-ROM drive. Use the default descriptions wherever possible; do not change "Main Feature" to the film’s title. Use one description per disc. If a disc is double-sided, there is only one description for that disc.
Do not enter each side as a separate disc.
If a movie is on both sides of a disc in Widescreen and Pan & Scan or Full Frame versions, identify this by entering the Side A description as "Main Feature (Widescreen)" and the Side B description as "Main Feature (Pan & Scan)" or "Main Feature (Full Frame)", or the reverse if that is the order on the disc sides.
If a film spans 2 discs, add (Part 1) and (Part 2) to the “Main Feature” description.
If your Disc ID differs from the Disc ID in the main database, you may change it and re-contribute it if you are doing a wider contribution, but don't make a specific contribution for this reason. All Disc IDs will be stored in the main database for a future development of DVD Profiler.
. You're not starting any trouble  . I understand and sympathize with your confusion. The rule regarding Disc ID contributions is one of the most ignored of the Contribution Rules. I'm of the opinion that if it is so ignored then why does it still exist? I see folks constantly contributing only additional Disc IDs and the contributions are accepted 100% of the time. Why not just remove that portion of the rule?  | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection | | | | Last edited: by Bad Father |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is one reason why I contribute far less than I used to. There is, on the one hand, a near slavish adherance to the minutia of weird interpretations of some of the rules, while, on the other hand, complete ignorance of other rules by nearly everyone here.
Tired of being beaten down by tunnel-visioned fanatics, who focus far too hard on one rule, while blatantly ignoring others. | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff | | | | Last edited: by VibroCount |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | My understanding was that Ken was collecting the various disk IDs for future use. There are times when a profile is finished. I mean any wider change would actually degrade the profile, not improve it. Now how in the world are you supposed to add additional disk IDs if this is the case? Tell the person to go ahead and wreck the profile in order to make it a "wider" contribution? That's just doesn't make sense. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | 8ball is correct and wrong at the same time. Assuming that Pirates is right now 100% perfect, then the system would NEVER be allowed to capture additional Disc ID which is just plain silly. Ken needs the sysetm to capture that data. Failure tyo do so supplies us with an incorrect and incomplete database. The only thing I saw that the user did, is he did not take my advice and copy that Disc ID data into his notes for the future reference of himself and all other users.
I have a feeling that most people have a very short-sighted view of those notes.In fact this Rule flies in the face of what Ken has previously told us, so perhaps he should update either the Rule or us if something has changed.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,313 |
| | Posted: | | | | Now Skip... what have you always said about assuming anything?  | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
8ball is correct and wrong at the same time. Assuming that Pirates is right now 100% perfect, then the system would NEVER be allowed to capture additional Disc ID which is just plain silly. Ken needs the sysetm to capture that data. Failure tyo do so supplies us with an incorrect and incomplete database. The only thing I saw that the user did, is he did not take my advice and copy that Disc ID data into his notes for the future reference of himself and all other users.
I have a feeling that most people have a very short-sighted view of those notes.In fact this Rule flies in the face of what Ken has previously told us, so perhaps he should update either the Rule or us if something has changed.
Skip You got a green arrow for saving me from typing the same thing.  I would imagine that a high-profile movie like this is as close to perfect as it can be (until another secondary actor changes their name and the change becomes common at least  ), so there should be exceptions for submitting disc ID's to proper profiles. No sense in changing something and making it wrong, then changing it back, just to get the alternate disc ID in there. I smell a rule revision. |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with you guys, but you realize we are using common sense here? | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 94 |
| | Posted: | | | | I never saw that rule about submitting Disc IDs as only part of a wider submission. I fear I have broken that rule many times.  However, I submitted only DiscID where there were none. I remember doing the DiscID for, say, King of the Hill and only submitting them. (DiscID are one of those things I like to have in my DB .. dunno why.) Rink | | | | Kittens give Morbo gas. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Rink:
Don't worry about it, you describe exactly one of the problems with people and this particular Rule, it is certainly conceivable to have a completely correct Profile, but No Disc ID, and according to users like 8Bal that Disc ID could NEVER be contributed.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Rink:
Don't worry about it, you describe exactly one of the problems with people and this particular Rule, it is certainly conceivable to have a completely correct Profile, but No Disc ID, and according to users like 8Bal that Disc ID could NEVER be contributed.
Skip This isn't about profiles with 'no disc ID. This is about contributing a disc ID that differes from the one already in the profile. It is the replacing that users like 8ball are talking about and it is according to the rules: "If your Disc ID differs from the Disc ID in the main database, you may change it and re-contribute it if you are doing a wider contribution, but don't make a specific contribution for this reason." I don't see any interpretation other than "don't do it." If you want to do it anyway, be my guest, but let's not pretend that it isn't against the rules. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,313 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rink_no2: Quote:
I never saw that rule about submitting Disc IDs as only part of a wider submission. I fear I have broken that rule many times.
However, I submitted only DiscID where there were none. I remember doing the DiscID for, say, King of the Hill and only submitting them. (DiscID are one of those things I like to have in my DB .. dunno why.)
Rink Adding only Disc IDs where there is none is allowed... that don't break the rules. The rule is... Rules Quote: Quote:
If your Disc ID differs from the Disc ID in the main database, you may change it and re-contribute it if you are doing a wider contribution, but don't make a specific contribution for this reason. All Disc IDs will be stored in the main database for a future development of DVD Profiler. bold by me... As you see it is only against the rule where there is already a disc id there... but yours does not match it. I may not agree with the rule... but I think it needs to be followed just like every other rule... at least till we can get Ken's ok to have it changed. Another thing.. There is no way to know which disc ids ken already has in the database... there was the one that was in there when first submitted to Invelos... then it was updated once since then. Plus this was released in December of 2003... who knows how many he already collected for this title over at Intervocative (if they were brought over I have no idea). But without knowing what is already in the system... there is no way to know if he already has this disc ID of not. would be nice if there was a way to know all the ones in the system... I try to do my part when I do add an additional one is list the new one as well as the one I am replacing in the contribution notes. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,313 |
| | Posted: | | | | looks like Unicus beat me to my main point. | | | | Pete |
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