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Let's take a poll to vote about footnotes in the overviews |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Personally, I voted no footnote. Now I admit, it was purely for personal reasons and has nothing to do with any esoteric interpretation of the rules on my part. I'm tired of overview changes. I figure no footnotes, less changes I have to vote on. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 347 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Personally, I voted no footnote. Now I admit, it was purely for personal reasons and has nothing to do with any esoteric interpretation of the rules on my part. I'm tired of overview changes. I figure no footnotes, less changes I have to vote on. If you voted for personal reasons then what good does that do for the online database? Isn't that why you are able to lock things locally that you do not want in your personal database? | | | | Antec Nine Hundred case, 4GB A-Data DDR2 800 RAM, Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz, ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP MB, XFX GeForce 8600GT XXX 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 video card, ZALMAN CNPS9500 AT 2 Ball CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink, Seagate Barracuda 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s HDD, Zerodba 620W PSU, LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD with LightScribe SATA, Samsung CDDVDW SH-S203B SATA, Hanns-G HH281 28" monitor, Kodak ESP3250 printer, Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 speakers, Windows 7 Professional |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,916 |
| | Posted: | | | | You sure are passionate mwkirchner! |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | In my opinion, if the * is included in the overview on the cover, then it must be included in the overview in DVDP. By default that would also mean that the footnote that is referencing would also need to be included, since the * is a simple insert representing the footnote.
In my OPINION. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | Voted yes. If I see a * or ** I'd like to know what it is referring to. | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pplchamp: Quote:
Voted yes. If I see a * or ** I'd like to know what it is referring to. I don't want to see the * or ** either. |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,916 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't think this poll should was intended for popular opinion but if you think the rules on overviews should apply to footnotes. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mwkirchner: Quote:
Quoting mdnitoil:
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Personally, I voted no footnote. Now I admit, it was purely for personal reasons and has nothing to do with any esoteric interpretation of the rules on my part. I'm tired of overview changes. I figure no footnotes, less changes I have to vote on.
If you voted for personal reasons then what good does that do for the online database?
Isn't that why you are able to lock things locally that you do not want in your personal database? Okay, so much for honestly. Now I'll wrap it in my interpretation of the rules. From what I read, the rules regarding overviews don't say a darn thing about including footnotes...or any other stray text on the back cover for that matter. I say leave them off. Now, what I'm really waiting for is Ken to do something with all the darn single quotes we have that denote text style changes. It may be in the rules, but it reads like crap when I actually bother to look at an overview. I live in hope that one day there will be a program update and all that junk will actually be bolded, or whatever it's supposed to mean. For now, that must remain my dream. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,594 |
| | Posted: | | | | Footnotes are not part of the overview. If it was worth being included in the overview it wouldn't have been relegated to a footnote. Just my opinion  . | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 347 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
I don't think this poll should was intended for popular opinion but if you think the rules on overviews should apply to footnotes. Thank you ... that is EXACTLY what I was trying to decifer here | | | | Antec Nine Hundred case, 4GB A-Data DDR2 800 RAM, Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz, ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP MB, XFX GeForce 8600GT XXX 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 video card, ZALMAN CNPS9500 AT 2 Ball CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink, Seagate Barracuda 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s HDD, Zerodba 620W PSU, LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD with LightScribe SATA, Samsung CDDVDW SH-S203B SATA, Hanns-G HH281 28" monitor, Kodak ESP3250 printer, Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 speakers, Windows 7 Professional |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mwkirchner: Quote:
OK ... what about a footnote and no * ?
Would that be any different then putting a * in and have it reference nothing?
. If there's no footnote marker, how do you know it's a footnote to the overview? Could just be fine print not associated with the overview in any way. Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
Quoting m.cellophane:
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I believe the current rules allow for all 3 variants (no asterisk/no footnote, yes asterisk/no footnote, yes asterisk/yes footnote)
I can't quite agree with that because the rules state that the overview must match exactly.
If the overview has a footnote marker and it's not included in the contribution, then it doesn't match exactly. Many argue that the footnote marker is not part of the overview. Since the rules don't specify either way, I have to believe that both methods are acceptable. I'll go out on a limb and state as well that I believe most asterisks and footnotes have been dropped by contributors up to this point. I've seen more contributed footnotes in the past couple of days from Mark than I think I've seen in DVD Profiler...ever.  So I think quite a few of us have interpreted the rule to not include the marker or the note...until now. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,916 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
...until now. As time passes, so does our perception of things. The way it seems to me, the most popular view is that the rules must be followed to the letter regardless if we agree with them or not. Since the rules do not explicitly exclude footnotes in the overview and says that the overview much match exactly, that would indicate that footnotes are to be included. | | | | Last edited: by Dr. Killpatient |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
Quoting m.cellophane:
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...until now.
As time passes, so does our perception of things. Agreed. Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
The way it seems to me, the most popular view is that the rules must be followed to the letter regardless if we agree with them or not. Agreed. Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
Since the rules do not explicitly exclude footnotes in the overview and says that the overview much match exactly, that would indicate that footnotes are to be included. It doesn't specifically include footnotes in the overview either, hence the gray area. I can't see that one side can say that the other side is against the rules. If one doesn't agree that markers and footnotes are part of the overview, then copying the overview exactly can still be achieved by excluding the marker and footnote. It's sort of like the issue over stunt people in the cast lists. If you view them as part of the cast list, they should be included. If you don't, then you don't think they should be included. It all depends on how one defines the cast list, or in this case how one defines what an overview is. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,916 |
| | Posted: | | | | In regards to stunt people and cast lists since I've made a submission with them and it was accepted, if there is no break between the cast and the stunt people, then they are part of the cast. (I rule the day a DVD comes out with no breaks anywhere in the credits  ) So, does a footnote marker indicate a break in the overview or not? | | | | Last edited: by Dr. Killpatient |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Stunt people are NOT to be included, whoever finds it should remove THEM, PERIOD. They should NOT have been accepted. There is a way for Stunt people to be included but it is very rare. Actor Actor Stunt Actor Actor Anything else NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
In regards to stunt people and cast lists since I've made a submission with them and it was accepted, if there is no break between the cast and the stunt people, then they are part of the cast. If there are no actors after the stunt people, the forum consensus has been to exclude them, space or no space. Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
So, does a footnote marker indicate a break in the overview or not? I have no idea. Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
There is a way for Stunt people to be included but it is very rare.
Actor
Actor
Stunt
Actor
Actor
Anything else NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's the general forum consensus as I recall, but like this issue regarding footnotes, it's not detailed in the rules. I recently had one that was like this: Actor Actor Stunt Coordinator Stunts Stunts Actor Actor And it was accepted as such. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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