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stunt and stunt double in cast section (In the shadows)
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You all realise that the director in all his wisdom included the stunt man & stunt double in his cast list. Who are we to decide they don't belong there.
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The rules tell us only to include actors, and stuntmen do not act they are on fire or jump of a building, they do this for real.
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As long as the "Stunts" is a role name instead of a profession - and as I interpret this thread, this is the case - I'd list them as cast.

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"Stunts" isn't a role name, it's a group name.
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So i could put the stunts in with a divider "stunts"
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I agree with RHo and Voltaire53, that is how I always understood the "agreement" as well.

If it is, it's an utterly ridiculous "agreement". As I have pointed out before: although I'd personally rather leave them out altogether (like Martin, I don't consider them "cast" at all), I'd be happy to track them in DVD Profiler if that's what the majority wants. But it's complete and utter nonsense to decide whether to track a certain group of people based on whether there's a space between the end of the cast list and the stunt people. I've said it before and I'll say it again: either we track stunt people, or we don't. There's no use in doing half of the time: that renders the data completely useless. It's like deciding that we exclude all cast listed in ALL-CAPS... 

Bottom line: either we track 'em, or we don't. Not "sometimes", based on a completely random formatting decision made by the guy who put together the credits for any particular movie.
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So i could put the stunts in with a divider "stunts"

You could, but that's not what I meant.
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Not "sometimes", based on a completely random formatting decision made by the guy who put together the credits for any particular movie.


thats all we got, the credits to go on.
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Not "sometimes", based on a completely random formatting decision made by the guy who put together the credits for any particular movie.


thats all we got, the credits to go on.

Sure, but what does that have to do with anything? Apparently this is not about the data, but just about how to deal with on-screen formatting of that data on-screen. Again: I don't care what we do, as long as we're consistent. If I'm going to track stunt people, I want to track them for all of my films, not just the ones where there didn't happen to be space between the end of the cast list and the stunt people. That is ridiculous: it results in completely useless data. Think about it: if you enter a few stuntmen this way, and you click on one of their names, what do get? Does DVD Profiler produce a list of all movies in your collection this person worked on? No! Just try and define what you'll get there, and you'll understand that it's ridiculous to enter data in this manner. Again: either we track 'em, or we don't. But not just randomly based on formatting.

IMHO, we're not meant to track them at all: I consider them crew, not cast. The closest thing to guidance that the rules have to offer on the subject is the fact that stunt people can indeed not be listed in the "crew" section, and that the "cast" section obviously isn't exactly meant for it as well: the "actor name - role name" format is a clear enough hint for me that it wasn't meant to deal with stunt people, let alone stunt coordinators.
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You are correct, we were not meant to track stunt people.  The problem is, the rules tell us to, "take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited."

I tried to find a way to exclude stunt people, that are incorporated into the cast list, but I couldn't.  I couldn't get around the word 'exactly'.  Until the rules are amended, to allow for the exclusion of parts of the cast list, we are stuck with this compromise.
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You are correct, we were not meant to track stunt people.  The problem is, the rules tell us to, "take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited."

I tried to find a way to exclude stunt people, that are incorporated into the cast list, but I couldn't.  I couldn't get around the word 'exactly'.  Until the rules are amended, to allow for the exclusion of parts of the cast list, we are stuck with this compromise.

Ken? Are you reading this? It's time for you to chime in... 
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"Stunts" isn't a role name, it's a group name.

I don't know, if I got the problem with this especially film, but I'm afraid you didn't get my argument. What I meant: It seems to me that in this film the cast has to play stuntmen - which means acting and deserves being mentioned in the cast list - instead of stuntmen doubling the real cast - which is stunt work  and is not mentioned in DVDP...

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