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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | To my knowledge ANY film. Can an exception be found, no doubt there is an exception anything. But I doubt highly that there would be much mre than a handful.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
To my knowledge ANY film. Can an exception be found, no doubt there is an exception anything. But I doubt highly that there would be much mre than a handful.
Skip There are a lot of films out there where there does not even exist any kind of written contract in any form. But those films hardly ever get pressed on DVD. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,029 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
You won this discussion is finished. As I have also said it does not really affect me at all... If this discussion is finished and if it doesn't affect you at all, why did you post 25 times in this thread (26% of all posts), most of them only to repeatedly state your dislike of Gerri's clarification? | | | | Matthias | | | | Last edited: by goodguy |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
Does that mean that when Stellan Skarsgård signed his contract for "The House on Turk Street" he actually asked that his last name should be misspelled "Skarsgard"? I find that really hard to believe...  Hard to say. Since he's been credited as Skarsgård in movies both before and after "The House on Turk Street" I'm suspecting more that it's an error than a request. Quote:
Really? Any film, anywhere in the world? Any small independent filmmaker included? I think not. Depends. I don't know about movies outside of North America, but here it's more likely than not there's a section somewhere asking how the person wants to be credited. With movies utilizing members of an actor's guild there's most definitely a credit section. With movies using non-guild actors, or guild-actors working on a non-union shoot (with dispensaton) it's not a guarantee, but most non-union deal memos (which is what many indie filmmakers use) do have such a clause. Partly out of convenience, partly out of courtesy. KM | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,548 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quote:
Hard to say. Since he's been credited as Skarsgård in movies both before and after "The House on Turk Street" I'm suspecting more that it's an error than a request.
That's my point. Skip implies that the credits always reflect how the actor wishes to be credited. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | In this day of youtube and numerous independent productions, you may have a point. However, you're example is that of a not insignificant actor, Gunnar. I can only tellyou what I know of Hollywood business practices. I would strongly suggest that you are arguing with the wrong person, I know more than you do about this, but i don't know as much as the filmmakers or the actor. There is where you will find your answer, I suggest if it REALLY concerns you and you are losing sleep over why one of your countrymen might have apparently betrayed his native language, that you go to those sources for the answer and then you can report back the results of your investigation.
BTW Gunna, i find your comment snide and insulting hence a bit of sarcasm in mine
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,548 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quote:
I can only tellyou what I know of Hollywood business practices. I would strongly suggest that you are arguing with the wrong person, I know more than you do about this, but i don't know as much as the filmmakers or the actor. You didn't limit your statement to Hollywood productions. If you had, I might not have objected. And just how do you know how much I know about this? Assume nothing...? As for snide and insulting, you should know - you're the expert...  | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
All contracts for ANY film both Cast and Crew contain a "Credit Clause" that spells out the person is to be credited. While this may be true, you are assuming that the person who entered the credits for the film, entered them properly. I am not prepared to make that assumption. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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All contracts for ANY film both Cast and Crew contain a "Credit Clause" that spells out the person is to be credited.
While this may be true, you are assuming that the person who entered the credits for the film, entered them properly. I am not prepared to make that assumption. I have seen many Spanish films where the opening credits and the end credits were not the same. In some cases people were listed in the opening credits by 'first name' / 'first last name', but in the end credits it showed 'first name' / 'first last name' 'second last name'. Many spanish people use both the father's family name followed by the mother's family name as thier "full name', but may drop the mother's family name some of the time. I have also seen opening list 'José' or 'JOSÉ' with the end credits showing 'JOSE'. I would think that the person formatting the credits was the one that picked the style for showing the names, not a line in a contract. pdf | | | Paul Francis
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pdf256: Quote:
I have seen many Spanish films where the opening credits and the end credits were not the same. In some cases people were listed in the opening credits by 'first name' / 'first last name', but in the end credits it showed 'first name' / 'first last name' 'second last name'. Many spanish people use both the father's family name followed by the mother's family name as thier "full name', but may drop the mother's family name some of the time. I have also seen opening list 'José' or 'JOSÉ' with the end credits showing 'JOSE'. I would think that the person formatting the credits was the one that picked the style for showing the names, not a line in a contract.
pdf I seem to recall an R1 title with a similar issue. An actor's name was spelled one way in the opening creidts, and another way in the end credits. I am sure there are many examples of this. Further proof that, when it comes right down to it, how the credits are entered is up to the guy...or gal...entering them. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ken or Gerri:
could we have this topic pinned please?
It seems, according to some "no" votes I've recently received, some users have forgotten about this clarification already. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | North:
Your FIRST problem is that you provided NO DOCUMENTATIOn. You make the assumption based on him being born in france in 1927. No Documentation relative to his Country and No Documentation relative to that being his spelling. If you think i am simply going to accept your claim with No Documentation...guess again. Secondly in my book it deviates from As Credited, if you provide documentation and use Credited As I'll buy it. Otherwise forget it.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Try reading Gerri's post again - we DO NOT use "as credited", we use standard capitalisation rules according to the nationality of the person involved. That means GERARD becomes Gérard, no matter how much you dislike that decision.
If you really want documentation that Gérard Brach wrote the screenplay, so be it. I'll add links anon. However, it seems odd you require documentation for this, yet are willing to vote on a cover change purely on someone else's say so. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | North is correct. According to Gerri's original post, we do not use 'credited as' for the proper capitalization of the name. Assuming North is correct, and it is the same person, 'GERARD BRACH' becomes 'Gérard Brach' in the NAME field. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't buy it, unicus, but I am happy to let Gerri make the call. This also leads to Asian parsing of name counter to what the credits might say. This ruling will make complete hash out of the database which is why I can't buy into it, it essentially throws the Rules right out the window. Just another of the several reasons I have by and large ceased Contributing, maybe 1 out of a 100 these days.
I hope that Gerri will read this resurrected thread and reconsider her decision, usage of Common name for this data would be fine, not ideal but fine, but as it stands right now the rules are gone, relative to Credits, we no longer have to list data exactly as it appears in the credits, any culture can now choose to trash the database and they will. To be perfectly honest there are a number of users whom i shall not name whom I believe have been trying to trash the rules for a very, very long time, I would like to believe that I am wrong but I can't explain it any other way.
With all due respect Gerri, I think your call was short-sighted and should be revisited. The damage this will cause is nothing short of disaster.
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I don't buy it, unicus, but I am happy to let Gerri make the call. This also leads to Asian parsing of name counter to what the credits might say.
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Just to be clear, her post was about converting credits, that are in all caps, to mixed case. Nothing more, nothing less. Nowhere did she say we could change the order of the name when it was entered. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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