Unfortunately, North is correct.  It seems to be a matter of 'style', habbit and, I suspect, preference.

Agreed.  As I said in another thread, it seems to come down to how the guy entering the credits decided to do it.

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Unfortunately, North is correct.  It seems to be a matter of 'style', habbit and, I suspect, preference.

I'd use stronger words than that. These are more like linguistic "rules".
You wouldn't call starting each sentence with a capital letter a matter of style or habit would you?

It makes it clearer, but I still think you're looking at it more as a choice than as following a rule.
A lot of the time François isn't written as FRANCOIS through choice, but because that's what they've been told is the right way to write it. Yes they've made a choice to make it uppercase - but once that choice is made, writing it as FRANCOIS is not another choice for them.

Why the French decided their language should be like this? No idea! But someone, somewhere made that decision. All the people who typed the credits have done, is follow the linguistic rules they've been taught.

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Why didnt they enter it as 'FRANÇOIS'?

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Yes it does, gerri.

As unicus said this is about PERSONAL preference which when I laid the foundation  I did NOT allow for, deliberately. We had enough trouble with that back in the days of the guidelines. What I setup was strictly based upon the DATA as it apperaed On screen. Presenting diacriticals is not a problem of any sort for Hollywood. As I have noted, EVERYONE who works on a film has a contract and that contract dictates how François is to be credited, if he is fine with FRANCOIS or Francois, we are too. It is not about inventing data which does not appear on screen, it is about the ACTUAL data which appears On screen.

I suppose the thing that i find the most troubling is a sense that if we don't bow to the culturalists they are personally offended. And i am left wondering that if anyone should be personally offended, it should be the person involved, after all it is his name, not mine. Why do I care, personally how he wants to be credited. Should I be offended that Robin Williams CHOSE to be credited as Ray D. Tutto? I think not, he chose the credit and the data says Ray D. Tutto, so be it, it bothers me not in the slightest. With the CA it becomes Robin Williams Credited as Ray D. Tutto.<shrugs>

Aha there's the problem we need to drop the CLT and call it CA...problem solved.

None of the arguments in favor of diacritical usage are based on DATA, which is what causes me the problem. If the DATA is there fine, if it is not, then we have to come up with an answer. But the compromise should not wreck the foundation and start allowing data that is NOT based on anything other than personal preference or culture. Those things ARE important, I won't deny it, but not at the price of basis for the database. So that leaves us looking at the CLT(Credited As), which is NOT part of the foundation of the program, it is merely a linking system to accommodate the wishes of users, remember for years we functioned without one, not without user complaint, including me, but we functioned and we waited. This is nothing more than  an offshoot of that issue, under the system as we have it currently the CLT is the BEST place to deal with it, or the CA system if you will. Perhaps a longer term solution is a field for Legal Name, which opens a whole nuther can of worms, I don't care about Marion Morrison, but i am sure there are those who do, that would then give François it's own specific field, also satisfying our Asian community and allowing CLT to be CLT.<shrugs> But to wrap the very foundation of the program, as it was setup, I am sorry I just can't see it. Give me a data-based argument not a culture-based or preference based argument.

As I have noted before, when I edit Amélie, I don't jump up and down and scream at the top of my lungs its Eugene Berthier not Eugène Berthier, we don't do Eugène Berthier in the US whatever. I simply copy the data as it appears On Screen. In fact in Amelie I see several names which one could question that a diacritical might be used, but tyehn in other names they do use them so...

And as I have also noted before, I have seen hypothetically

Francois
José

in the same credit list, you woulkd try and tell me that it should be François? I don't think so,

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It makes it clearer, but I still think you're looking at it more as a choice than as following a rule.
A lot of the time François isn't written as FRANCOIS through choice, but because that's what they've been told is the right way to write it. Yes they've made a choice to make it uppercase - but once that choice is made, writing it as FRANCOIS is not another choice for them.

Why the French decided their language should be like this? No idea! But someone, somewhere made that decision. All the people who typed the credits have done, is follow the linguistic rules they've been taught.

I was going by the fact that, or so I have been told, it is no longer a strict rule that it must be written that way.  From what I have heard, it can be written as 'FRANÇOIS', if the person writing it wants to do it that way.  So, for older films it was a rule, for newere films it is a choice.  If I am mistaken, then, nevermind. 

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I was going by the fact that, or so I have been told, it is no longer a strict rule that it must be written that way.  From what I have heard, it can be written as 'FRANÇOIS', if the person writing it wants to do it that way.  So, for older films it was a rule, for newere films it is a choice.  If I am mistaken, then, nevermind. 

No, that's exactly how I see it too. So it's possible this will become less and less of a problem as more films are released with accents intact. My apologies, I was looking at it from the point of view of all the films where it would have been much stricter.