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20th Century Fox Home Entertainment vs. Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Then WHY are you trying to compare an apple to an orange.  Did you even read my post? I explained why I did what I did. Btw, I am not comparing an apple to an orange...I am comparing a Red Delicious to a Jona Mac.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have to go now. I won't be back for 5 or 6 hours. Maybe in that time one of you can figure out how to answer the question, iIF there is one.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Define correct, Unicus. Correct: free from error; especially conforming to fact or truth. The 'fact', in this case, is that the name of the company is 'Twentieth Century Fox'. Their use of the abbreviated form of the word...'20th'...in their logo, does not change that fact. Quote:
20th is ON SCREEN AND the back cover as well. Why should edit and re-edit ad infinitum just because some user wants us to. And further sets up poll and then publicly states that he is going to ignore the poll AND the Rules to boot. What we see on screen, and the back cover, is the LOGO. We do NOT use the logo form for any other studio. Why should we do it here? 'Universal' is also on the screen and back cover. Why can't we use that? 'DisneyDVD' is on the screen and back cover. Why can't we use that? Using 'Twentieth', instead of '20th', is not only consistent with how we deal with other logos...which is a HUGE plus...it is also 'correct' which means it follows the rules. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Maybe in that time one of you can figure out how to answer the question, iIF there is one. There you go - at last a shimmer of insight: indeed there is no question. If the cover says "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment", the correct entry for that distributor is "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment". It really is that simple: there is nothing to figure out. Why is that every time someone wants to correct a piece of data, a group effort spanning ten pages is needed to convince you first? I honestly don't know why we even bother anymore. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Eleven pages of discussion and the vote remains 37 for 20th and 35 for Twentieth (or vice versa, since I can't see the vote while I'm composing this message). It's good to see there is such a clear concensus.  PS: I don't know if anyone mentioned it before (and I don't intend to search through all 11 pages to find out), but when I look at a title that uses "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment" with the layout I'm using (called Invelos Default - High Definition, but I don't know if it's the "standard" layout or not) the last "t" in Entertainment doesn't show up. It's there in the data, but it doesn't show up on screen. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 | | | | Last edited: by kdh1949 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Perhaps James, you enjoy senseless editing and expense of time and effort on a needless change that brings no additional value to the database. I don't, my time is very valuable and i don't waste it. So if there is some value added beyond some user thinks it should be then please explain it because I see NO value added and certainly won't waste my time on it, nor would I be willing to ask any other user to make such an utterly senseless change. You added this piece to your post after I responded and I just caught it. Why is your argument about 'value added'? If 'Twentieth' is the textual format of the studio's name as shown on the cover, that's what we should go with. Unicus has laid out the issues of going with logo names. In this case 'Twentieth' would be correct. 'Value added' doesn't come into play. It's either correct or it's not. That's the way we play the rules for every other piece of info. Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I still want to know what value is added and no one has answered that yet. Why should spend thousands more man-hours changing data that is already correct. Simply because 20th is different from Twentieth....PUHlease. None of the date is 'already correct'. All of the current data is either wrong or blank. If we go with '20th': # of studios that have to be changed: ALL which contain '20th' or 'Twentieth' as distributors # of distributors that have to be changed: ALL of them, since the field is currently empty If we go with 'Twentieth': # of studios that have to be changed: ALL which contain '20th' or 'Twentieth' as distributors # of distributors that have to be changed: ALL of them, since the field is currently empty As T!M pointed out, now is the time to get it right. Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Define correct, Unicus. 20th is ON SCREEN AND the back cover as well. In logo form only. Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Why should edit and re-edit ad infinitum just because some user wants us to It's not 'edit and re-edit ad infinitum'. It's a change from an old convention borne out of convenience and field length considerations to a new form based on the accurate textual name. Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
And further sets up poll and then publicly states that he is going to ignore the poll AND the Rules to boot. You've always said that polls aren't rules. It's not against the rules to contribute an accurate studio name. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | And "Twentieth" is now leading in the poll!  | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Define correct, Unicus.
Correct: free from error; especially conforming to fact or truth. The 'fact', in this case, is that the name of the company is 'Twentieth Century Fox'. Their use of the abbreviated form of the word...'20th'...in their logo, does not change that fact.
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20th is ON SCREEN AND the back cover as well. Why should edit and re-edit ad infinitum just because some user wants us to. And further sets up poll and then publicly states that he is going to ignore the poll AND the Rules to boot.
What we see on screen, and the back cover, is the LOGO. We do NOT use the logo form for any other studio. Why should we do it here? 'Universal' is also on the screen and back cover. Why can't we use that? 'DisneyDVD' is on the screen and back cover. Why can't we use that?
Using 'Twentieth', instead of '20th', is not only consistent with how we deal with other logos...which is a HUGE plus...it is also 'correct' which means it follows the rules. You are totally ignoring the FACT of why it was done fir Fox and that the Rules regarding thhe use have not been changed AND the OP has not the authority to make such a change on his own, which he has publicly announced the intent of doing. There in lies the problem, Unicus, who the hell does the OP think he is? He asks a question and then publicly announces his full intent to completely IGNORE the results of said poll and IGNORE the Rules to boot.. That kind of CRAP does NOT sit well with me.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Maybe in that time one of you can figure out how to answer the question, iIF there is one.
There you go - at last a shimmer of insight: indeed there is no question. If the cover says "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment", the correct entry for that distributor is "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment". It really is that simple: there is nothing to figure out. Why is that every time someone wants to correct a piece of data, a group effort spanning ten pages is needed to convince you first? I honestly don't know why we even bother anymore. At the moment, Tim, I could vare less about your shimmers of insight. You have crossed the line and I am angry. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
And "Twentieth" is now leading in the poll! It wasn't when the OP made his public announcement. And do I need to tell you why that is true, Hal. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Perhaps James, you enjoy senseless editing and expense of time and effort on a needless change that brings no additional value to the database. I don't, my time is very valuable and i don't waste it. So if there is some value added beyond some user thinks it should be then please explain it because I see NO value added and certainly won't waste my time on it, nor would I be willing to ask any other user to make such an utterly senseless change.
You added this piece to your post after I responded and I just caught it.
Why is your argument about 'value added'? If 'Twentieth' is the textual format of the studio's name as shown on the cover, that's what we should go with. Unicus has laid out the issues of going with logo names. In this case 'Twentieth' would be correct. 'Value added' doesn't come into play. It's either correct or it's not. That's the way we play the rules for every other piece of info.
Quoting skipnet50:
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I still want to know what value is added and no one has answered that yet. Why should spend thousands more man-hours changing data that is already correct. Simply because 20th is different from Twentieth....PUHlease.
None of the date is 'already correct'. All of the current data is either wrong or blank.
If we go with '20th':
# of studios that have to be changed: ALL which contain '20th' or 'Twentieth' as distributors
# of distributors that have to be changed: ALL of them, since the field is currently empty
If we go with 'Twentieth':
# of studios that have to be changed: ALL which contain '20th' or 'Twentieth' as distributors
# of distributors that have to be changed: ALL of them, since the field is currently empty
As T!M pointed out, now is the time to get it right.
Quoting skipnet50:
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Define correct, Unicus. 20th is ON SCREEN AND the back cover as well.
In logo form only.
Quoting skipnet50:
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Why should edit and re-edit ad infinitum just because some user wants us to
It's not 'edit and re-edit ad infinitum'. It's a change from an old convention borne out of convenience and field length considerations to a new form based on the accurate textual name.
Quoting skipnet50:
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And further sets up poll and then publicly states that he is going to ignore the poll AND the Rules to boot.
You've always said that polls aren't rules. It's not against the rules to contribute an accurate studio name. As usual, Jamres you have tptally missed several points but definitely the most important and perhaps you now understand that I hold Tim's arrogance on this matter in utter contempt. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
You are totally ignoring the FACT of why it was done fir Fox and that the Rules regarding thhe use have not been changed AND the OP has not the authority to make such a change on his own, which he has publicly announced the intent of doing. There in lies the problem, Unicus, who the hell does the OP think he is? He asks a question and then publicly announces his full intent to completely IGNORE the results of said poll and IGNORE the Rules to boot.. That kind of CRAP does NOT sit well with me.
Skip I am not ignoring anything. In fact, I was quite up front with the fact that this was done because 'Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment' didn't fit. If I remember correctly, and I usually do, '20th Century Fox Home Entertainment' didn't fit either...until the field was expanded. Well, the field has been expanded to a point where the 'correct' name now fits. Since it does, we should use it. As to the rule not having changed, I don't know what you are talking about. Technically, because '20th' is the abbreviated form of 'twentieth', our use of '20th' was against the rules. Because we are populating a new field, this seems like the perfect time to correct that rule violation. JMHO. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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You are totally ignoring the FACT of why it was done fir Fox and that the Rules regarding thhe use have not been changed AND the OP has not the authority to make such a change on his own, which he has publicly announced the intent of doing. There in lies the problem, Unicus, who the hell does the OP think he is? He asks a question and then publicly announces his full intent to completely IGNORE the results of said poll and IGNORE the Rules to boot.. That kind of CRAP does NOT sit well with me.
Skip
I am not ignoring anything. In fact, I was quite up front with the fact that this was done because 'Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment' didn't fit. If I remember correctly, and I usually do, '20th Century Fox Home Entertainment' didn't fit either...until the field was expanded. Well, the field has been expanded to a point where the 'correct' name now fits. Since it does, we should use it.
As to the rule not having changed, I don't know what you are talking about. Technically, because '20th' is the abbreviated form of 'twentieth', our use of '20th' was against the rules. Because we are populating a new field, this seems like the perfect time to correct that rule violation. JMHO. Unicus: It is an abbreviated form, granted. It is NOT an abbreviation, there is a difference. As I said, however, my anger is not at you, but at the arrogance of the OP who publicly announced that he was unilaterally changing the Rules to his LIKING, that he cannot do, and i will not tolerate. Nor will I ever support it, simply because of THAT SINGLE comment. I condemn that behavior on his part in the strongest possible terms. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
If I remember correctly, and I usually do, '20th Century Fox Home Entertainment' didn't fit either...until the field was expanded. Well, the field has been expanded to a point where the 'correct' name now fits. Since it does, we should use it.
In my db, I have '20th Centur Fox Home Ent'. That is, I believe, the incarnation prior to the current field length. And I agree with your conclusion, needless to say.  | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | That's right, james. Ignore the crass behavior of the OP. It only makes me angrier and causes me to ask questions which will not be publicly asked.
The user has also made good on his attempt to unilaterall6y change the Rules and the Studios thread. So don't expect me to BACK OFF, it won't happen. He was and is waaaaay out of line. So have fun with your red arrows, matey.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
That's right, james. Ignore the crass behavior of the OP. It only makes me angrier and causes me to ask questions which will not be publicly asked.
Skip Actually, I was trying to ignore your crass behavior. Oops. I'll have to try harder.  | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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