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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
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Since no contribution notes are possible with new submissions, there is no way to indicate whether the removals are "documented" or not. 



You are damn right, Jogi !

Oh, and by the way: Obviously everybody around here has forgotten Ken's "legendary" statement about uncredited cast in the old IVS forum. After that we decided NOT to use them for new profiles unless personally verified. Well, since we're dealing with new contributions here and since it is not possible to give any verification, obviously the people USING uncredited cast are the ones who break the rules.


There is no Rule in regards to uncredited cast which says that they have to be verified!
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Uncredited cast - my thoughts...


If they are already in cast list, leave them in unless you can prove they were not in the film.
If they are not in cast list, do not add them unless you can prove they were in.

(ignoring of course the debate on what is acceptable 'proof')

I for one am interested in the 'trivia' aspects of films, such as people like Richard Branson appearing in uncredited roles
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I think about listing "Ned Flanders" in Independence Day. He is an uncredited actor playing an alien. And as you see, there is no rule not doing this...
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There is no Rule in regards to uncredited cast which says that they have to be verified!

No spoken rule, yes. But a forum decision that became a de facto rule.

You can go on discussing until the cow comes home, hal. In the end, what you are doing is nothing else but defending the injection of IMDB data into the new database.
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There is no Rule in regards to uncredited cast which says that they have to be verified!

No spoken rule, yes. But a forum decision that became a de facto rule.

You can go on discussing until the cow comes home, hal. In the end, what you are doing is nothing else but defending the injection of IMDB data into the new database.


I am defending the inclusion of uncredited cast as provided for by the program developer.
Hal
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If they are already in cast list, leave them in unless you can prove they were not in the film.
If they are not in cast list, do not add them unless you can prove they were in.

Well, that is exactly my point, richierich. Nothing is in the cast list so far (or at least was - until some careless users decided to upload IMDB crap). So you can't add them unless confirmed. Since you can't confirm anything in an initial contribution, you are simply not allowed to add credited cast in a new profile. Basic logic !
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No spoken rule, yes. But a forum decision that became a de facto rule.

Not that I want to choose sides here - not sure yet how I feel about this - but that forum decision was made at another forum, for another version of DVD Profiler, for another company. THIS version, on the other hand, has extended suppport for uncredited cast in the form of the new checkbox, thereby establishing that uncredited cast is a valid part of DVD Profiler's profiles. All in all, I'm not so sure that the "old forum decision that became a de facto rule" still applies...
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No spoken rule, yes. But a forum decision that became a de facto rule.

Not that I want to choose sides here - not sure yet how I feel about this - but that forum decision was made at another forum, for another version of DVD Profiler, for another company. THIS version, on the other hand, has extended suppport for uncredited cast in the form of the new checkbox, thereby establishing that uncredited cast is a valid part of DVD Profiler's profiles. All in all, I'm not so sure that the "old forum decision that became a de facto rule" still applies...

*sigh*
I remember now all too well why I abstained from these pointless forum discussions for the last year. Well, be my guest and go on stuffing the online database with pointless crap !

At least in the German profiler forum we agree that unverified cast does not belong in the profiles and will act acordingly for our locality.
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I totaly agree with you TigiHof. Well, not totaly, but almost. I don't wan't any uncredited cast or crew in my locale DB. But if there should be, it damn well should be verified and added to the contributions notes so the rest of us can check up on this.

For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.

Uncredited actors may be listed in alphabetical order following all credited actors. Use the "Uncredited" checkbox to indicate these. Uncredited actors are not required entries.

This last one is a bit confusing. And doesn't cooperate with the other rules that state that you should only use the credits from the end credits only.

Am I the only one who find this a bit strange?
Could anyone please clarify this for me?
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
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Seems pretty clear to me.

Add the credited cast first (from the standard credits in the film) and then you may, at your discretion, add the uncredited cast after that in alphabetic order.
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if Branson has not been listed I will add him with the accompanying time stamp.

Already did that Skip, first on the old site (IVS) and soon as this one was going. Told just where he was, what he was doing, and the time time stamp when he was on screen (00:43:44).

One less thing for you to do.
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Since no contribution notes are possible with new submissions, there is no way to indicate whether the removals are "documented" or not. 



You are damn right, Jogi !

Oh, and by the way: Obviously everybody around here has forgotten Ken's "legendary" statement about uncredited cast in the old IVS forum. After that we decided NOT to use them for new profiles unless personally verified. Well, since we're dealing with new contributions here and since it is not possible to give any verification, obviously the people USING uncredited cast are the ones who break the rules.


There is no Rule in regards to uncredited cast which says that they have to be verified!


So, what are you saying?  That if you felt like putting your own name in the list with 'uncredited' behind it, that's OK?  That means every Tom, Dick, and Harry out there can add whatever he feels like, and there's nothing we can do about it.  Sorry, but that is just plain WRONG!

Also, you can't prove a negative, so proving somebody was NOT in a movie is simply ludicrous.
John

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So, what are you saying?  That if you felt like putting your own name in the list with 'uncredited' behind it, that's OK?  That means every Tom, Dick, and Harry out there can add whatever he feels like, and there's nothing we can do about it.  Sorry, but that is just plain WRONG!

Also, you can't prove a negative, so proving somebody was NOT in a movie is simply ludicrous.


This is the "the sky is falling" argument; or the slippery slope argument.

Please show me where this has actually happened.

If you believe that the user community is hell bent on putting garbage in the database, then there's no point in debating anything with you.  The same argument could be made for every single field in the database.  It is not unique to uncredited cast.
Hal
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I don't care who wants to include this junk.  All I want is to have a switch to dump from ALL my profiles in one whack.  It's one hell of a lot of work to delete it one name at a time.

Ken, how about adding an applet to the Tool Menu to "Remove all Uncredited entries in local cast lists" or somesuch arrangement?
John

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So, what are you saying?  That if you felt like putting your own name in the list with 'uncredited' behind it, that's OK?  That means every Tom, Dick, and Harry out there can add whatever he feels like, and there's nothing we can do about it.  Sorry, but that is just plain WRONG!

Also, you can't prove a negative, so proving somebody was NOT in a movie is simply ludicrous.


This is the "the sky is falling" argument; or the slippery slope argument.

Pease show me where this has actually happened.

If you believe that the user community is hell bent on putting garbage in the database, then there's no point in debating anything with you.  The same argument could be made for every single field in the database.  It is not unique to uncredited cast.



No, Hal, its a matter of entering accurate data.  90% or more of that stuff is for no-name extras and walk-ons that you couldn't identify if your life depended on it.  And most of it got there because some yahoo mined IMDB for it, right down to the misspelled names, missing periods, and uncrossed T's and undotted i's.  God only knows how many of those profiles from the old DB are now sitting fat, dumb, and happy in the new one!  Like I said, the vast majority of these are nobodies and it serves no useful purpose to keep putting them in there.
John

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