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Why would anyone contribute here ?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantFrank,The Hi-Def Guy
Registered: May 28, 2007
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I've been a paid subscriber here for a number of years and have experienced periods when profiles are accepted though faulty as well as declined when profiles are 99 to 100% accurate.

As most people (who have contributed profiles) know it requires a lot of time and effort to gain the correct information to fill any given movie profile.  I know I've spent hours on just one profile.

I don't see any reason to spend all that time and effort just to get your contribution rejected without reason.  I honestly think there are certain members who have a high rating for contributions and they vote others a negative only to steal the info others tried to share and then submit the same profile as theirs.  I have been studying this carefully with my own contributions and those of others that have been rejected and always see the exact same profile accepted and the contributor acknowledged is never any of the ones that first contributed it.

I say to stop contributing and let the ones who get accepted work like we do and not steal our submissions.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributormdnitoil
Registered: March 14, 2007
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Interesting theory.

I know for myself, on rare occasions, I'll see a profile submission that is so messed up that I'll go ahead and submit a competing profile done correctly.  The only reason I do this is give voters who work on the "even garbage is better than nothing" principle an alternative to vote on.

I also haven't found a place where one can show off all the contributions they have.  I think it has a whole lot less to do with "glory" and more to do with trying to avert a mess.
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I don't believe I have ever seen this happen.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantAgrare
Registered: May 22, 2007
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I haven't ever seen this either. And I think I've contributed a fair amount.

Additionally, if its declined there probably was a reason. Did you have no votes? You do realize there are rules the contributions must follow right? If you didn't have no votes and it was still declined why don't you ask here instead of accusing just about everyone of being a bunch of plagerizers. And further more essentially accusing the company of supporting that.

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I've seen it - and though I detest it, I'd rather get my hard work ripped of by someone else, than not make it to the online at all. 

After all - this is not a popularity contest - it's about correct data...
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantFrank,The Hi-Def Guy
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Thanks Berak for your comment.  It seems a lot of people are in denial here including the company who owns it.  Maybe denial is just too nice of a word.

I totally detest this activity and I cannot condone this for any reason.

While this isn't a popularity contest...for some, are most definately wanting popularity, if not, they wouldn't steal other people's work.  It's all a matter of honesty and what is right and fair for all those who have paid the fee.

Lastly, if I hadn't read the rules, I would never have contributed one profile.
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Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeKen Cole
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Registered: March 10, 2007
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The Invelos evaluators handle a large volume of contributions and try to do their best, but are human and do sometimes make mistakes.   

The scenario you describe, however, is unlikely.  Contribution voters don't have direct access to the profile unless it is accepted, so it wouldn't make sense to vote down a profile then resubmit it as their own - they would have to rekey the data. 

I researched contributions under your account.  Of the 24 total submitted, 10 were declined.  Of the ones I checked, it appears that the negative votes were valid, and with helpful information.  The most recent decline had no votes at all and looks like an evaluator error.  Possibly the evaluator meant to decline based on lack of sources as the cast/crew submitted did not have a source.

So, I don't think there is a user conspiracy as you fear.  Although voters don't always agree, the vast majority of votes are cast with good intent.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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The scenario you describe, however, is unlikely.  Contribution voters don't have direct access to the profile unless it is accepted, so it wouldn't make sense to vote down a profile then resubmit it as their own - they would have to rekey the data.

Agreed.  The more likely scenario is that someone else did an audit as well and, rather than checking to see if there was a pending one, submitted their own.  I know this has happened to me several times...especially on new contributions.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbigdaddyhorse
Registered: June 21, 2007
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Everyone just tries to get named in profile credits by adding a media company.

The thing I hate is when doing a cast or crew list that hasn't been done, and an actor or sound guy uses their middle initial in the credits, then having to find proof even when it's pretty obvilous it's them. I've been shot down a couple times for this, when I just couldn't find any good links. I only bring this up cuz I just did another audit to a dvd I got in the mail today (Pulse 3, thank you random draw on horrordvds), and this happened with an actress. The only link I can find proving it is imdb, and I know many feel that doesn't prove anything. But she has a unique name and was in the previous movie, so that should be enough. Thankfully imdb does have pictures of her, so when I watch the flick, not just the credits, I'll grab a screen if I have to.

Another side note. I find comedy in the fact that I always used to skip the credits unless I wanted to know who an actress was or what song was, now I watch more credits than movies. This is a terrible curse.
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Everyone just tries to get named in profile credits by adding a media company.

It sure does seem that way...but not just MC.  I am seeing the same profiles get contributed 2, 3 sometimes 4 times.  Once for the MC,  once for the Rating Detail, once for the bold/italic in the Overview and once for the new crew fields.  It is a welcome change when I see a profile that corrects all those areas at the same time.

For those paying attention, this is why my vote count is so high. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorBroven
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I am seeing the same profiles get contributed 2, 3 sometimes 4 times.  Once for the MC,  once for the Rating Detail, once for the bold/italic in the Overview and once for the new crew fields.  It is a welcome change when I see a profile that corrects all those areas at the same time.


I think some people just simply don't feel comfortable submitting certain info. I, for one, don't feel comfortable submitting studio or crew data (beyond the primary crew) most of the time. I find it confusing, and of only marginal interest to me.
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I've been a paid subscriber here for a number of years and have experienced periods when profiles are accepted though faulty as well as declined when profiles are 99 to 100% accurate.

As most people (who have contributed profiles) know it requires a lot of time and effort to gain the correct information to fill any given movie profile.  I know I've spent hours on just one profile.

I don't see any reason to spend all that time and effort just to get your contribution rejected without reason.  I honestly think there are certain members who have a high rating for contributions and they vote others a negative only to steal the info others tried to share and then submit the same profile as theirs.  I have been studying this carefully with my own contributions and those of others that have been rejected and always see the exact same profile accepted and the contributor acknowledged is never any of the ones that first contributed it.

I say to stop contributing and let the ones who get accepted work like we do and not steal our submissions.


ROFLMAO, you've been watching too much of The X-Files, everything's a conspiracy in your life?. Whew, while I do sympathize to a degree, I have never read anything quite so outrageous. As for your discussion about a Contribution being turned down for being 99 to 100% accurate...100% accurate should not be declined, 99% should be, assuming that 1% represents an error which somebody found thaty should be fixed. Nobody here is running for Mr or Miss America that I know of, it is not a popularity contest.

As to your allegation of no reason, that tells me that you make a Contribution and then walk away from it. As voters, when we vote NO we are required to leave a comment to tell the user what is wrong with his Contribution, but in order to be informed about this you must monitor your Contribution and take notice that there are No votes and then read the comments. All it should take is a single NO vote that discovers a problem to be fixed to dump a Contribution regardless of how many Yes votes there might be.

Broven, I don't deal with data that isn't submitted, I only deal with the data that IS and it is either right or wrong, on those occasions where I encounter something that I might consider gray, it happens, I vote neutral.

The truth is out there, but there is no conspiracy.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
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Registered: March 29, 2007
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That is not the first time that we see an user upset by the contribution system, and who decides to flee contributions. And this has consequences even on new top billed movies that are not contributed in some areas, since some old contributors (from Intervocative time)  stopped contributing without saying anything here...

The tyranny of no votes has replaced pingponging, but with the same actors and the same results : I read in another thread that some profiles were submitted 3 or 4 times just to add each time a single small detail.

I  suggested in the past anonymous contributions, anonymous votes, and a point system with a list of best contributors, with non interesting contributions getting negative points. Other ideas could be proposed, but current system has really many flaws...
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Quoting Unicus69:
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Quoting bigdaddyhorse:
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Everyone just tries to get named in profile credits by adding a media company.

It sure does seem that way...but not just MC.  I am seeing the same profiles get contributed 2, 3 sometimes 4 times.  Once for the MC,  once for the Rating Detail, once for the bold/italic in the Overview and once for the new crew fields.  It is a welcome change when I see a profile that corrects all those areas at the same time.

For those paying attention, this is why my vote count is so high. 


I see the same thing happen in the dutch locality. I also often have to vote 2 or 3 times on the same profiles, all for 1 update. Personally, I almost always try to do a full audit when doing updates.
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All it should take is a single NO vote that discovers a problem to be fixed to dump a Contribution regardless of how many Yes votes there might be.

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We'll see about that. Currently there is a profile up for vote that has erroneously included Closed Captions in Features when there are none on the disc. It's SDH. 34 users have voted yes and I'm the lone NO voter. The title in question is "Meet the Parents: Collector's Edition" UPC 025192113321. We'll see if that one gets declined .
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Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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