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Quoting T!M:
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Edit: one more encore for those who keep asking for documentation. Let me ask you a question: do you ever document the people you enter "strictly as credited"? Do you provide links to show me that you've checked to see whether it might have been necessary to add a common name? To use your own argument: how do I know you've bothered to actually check up on what you entered, that it's not just a copy of what you saw on the screen? Do I just have to trust you? Remember that, contrary to popular belief, the rules actually REQUIRE us to use the "credited as" feature where necessary. They don't say: "if you feel like it" or anything like that. Profiles needing not even a single use of "credited as" are highly unlikely: yes, they exist, but they're few and far between. If I see someone doing a "strictly as credited" update, I expect there's further work to be done on that profile, and I can't help but wonder whether the contributor bothered to check up on those entries. But they never document their findings, do they? And does anyone ever complain about that? I don't think so. It's a rather strange double standard...


Without stepping foot into the arguement, and changing the direction slightly for just a moment, this is exactly why I actually never simply copy cast and crew from a completed profile to one that needs updating or a brand new one. One is less likely inclined to check to see if a common name needs to be applied if there's already information right in front of them. I did it a few times when I first started contributing, and then a couple of weeks later it bit me in the ass and I had to go back and resubmit profiles with common names that I missed out on earlier, that were sitting in my local the whole time. If I start from scratch, I'm WAY more likely to find the need for a common name to be applied. Hence the reason I spent six or seven hours two days ago adding in all crew for the Canadian profile of Alias Season 2 from scratch, and actually found a couple different cases where a common name needed to be applied.

Anyway, just my thoughts on that...

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I've found the exact same thing! It's a lot of work, but the end result often is lots better for it.
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There really wasn't an issue to begin with. It's a contribution containing nothing but good data - that's all. 8ballMax thought for a second that he spotted an error in it, but he turned out to be wrong. Withdraw the no-vote, and no harm done, I'd say.


Actually there is an issue...the lack of supporting documentation in the Contribution notes showing that Barbara Ann Walters and Barbara Ann Grimes are in fact two distinct individuals. I will NOT withdraw my NO vote, which is a valid NO vote per Ken's new instructions btw...and no harm done...I'd say.

BTW, updating your Contribution note with a link to this thread is NOT supporting documentation...in my humble opinion of course .
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the lack of supporting documentation in the Contribution notes showing that Barbara Ann Walters and Barbara Ann Grimes are in fact two distinct individuals. I will NOT withdraw my NO vote, which is a valid NO vote per Ken's new instructions btw...

It most certainly is NOT a valid no-vote - quoting Ken Cole:
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It is not necessary to document the source of the common name, outside the use of the CLT.

What you're doing is even worse, IMHO: now you're no longer challenging the fact that Barbara Ann Walters and Barbara Ann Grimes refer to the same person, but you're just voting against it because you don't like my notes. In fact, the reason you're voting "no" is exactly the reason Ken specifically ruled out (see quote above). Surely you see that? Ken says: "it is not necessary to document the source of the common name outside of the CLT", and then you go on to cite the lack of supporting documentation, and claim your no-vote is valid?!        I'm sure your concerns will be ignored, so I'm not worried - Ken did say he notified the evaluators about it - but I still don't understand it.

Now that you KNOW the data is correct, why would you still feel the need to try to keep it out of the database?! How can you possibly prefer the bit of incomplete, IMDb-mined data the profile currently has now over my fully "as credited" (in the appropriate fields, that is) set of data that I've painstakingly compiled from the actual credits over the past few days? IMHO, it's exactly this kind of behaviour that has kept lots of good data out of the database and has chased many valuable contributors away. If this is the kind of thanks you get for your work, who would even bother to contribute it anymore? I'm glad Ken's clarification has put an end to that.
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Quoting Merrik:
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If I start from scratch, I'm WAY more likely to find the need for a common name to be applied.

That's one way to do it, but it's a lot of work. The thing I do is this: I look for the most reliable profile I can find and copy-paste the cast and/or crew into my local profile. After that I check it with the actual credits and do a search on every name to see if there are any common names in the my local database, replace them and add the credited as names if necessary. If I'm done I use database repair to remove all the unused names.
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T!M, it looks like you forgot to include the "If there is a dispute over whether the credit references the same person, documentation may be necessary.  However, in most cases it is not required." when you quoted Ken.

And in this example, there is/was a dispute, so why not include the documentation? As I see it, 8ballMax's vote was correct.

I understand that it's not necessary to document every single common name, but when there is a dispute, as it is here, why can't you update the contribution notes with documentation?

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Great. I don't have the title (and don't know what title it is), but from the discussion it looked like you hadn't updated the notes.

Sorry about that. Then I agree with you

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