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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting DJ Doena:
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'Troll' is not a derogatory term, it's an accusation.
Troll
Oh come on. The term is meant as an insult and to claim it isn't 'derogatory' is being disingenuous.  I haven't used that term on this board (AFAIR), but I have used it on others. And I always meant it that way. That I thought the other person was deliberately offensive to stir up the emotions and to provoke a retort. | | | Karsten
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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'Troll' is not a derogatory term, it's an accusation.
Troll
Oh come on. The term is meant as an insult and to claim it isn't 'derogatory' is being disingenuous.
I haven't used that term on this board (AFAIR), but I have used it on others. And I always meant it that way. That I thought the other person was deliberately offensive to stir up the emotions and to provoke a retort. I will take your word for it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Richie:
People make coments which offend and insult me, I can't pretend that they haven't either. Respect is always a two way street. you want it, give it. Dis respect me don't expect me to offer in return.Your comment i find insulting and totally unnecessary because it comes from a one-way street.
Oh and BTW the whole racist remark i find hilarious, no one knows what RACE anyone belongs to here, perhaps politically correct is a more appropriate term and i am not PC, never have been nor will I ever be, I will call always call it like I see it. I have never made any kind of a racist comment, perhaps culturally insensitive, but racist not a chance and I am offended at your slur and personal attack.
Did I attack ANYONE by name?
Skip You lost me there?? I was answering Brians post, as quoted. Not sure how that offended you??, but thanks for the red arrow anyway  Quoting richierich: Quote:
Generally I don't have a major problem with a seperate opt-in forum for political or religious debate, despite not understanding why anyone would come to a dvd collecting site to express their feelings on such topics, surely there are better suited forums out there that specialise in this?
And Brian, there have been people here who have complained about racist, ethnic or sexist slurs which have offended them, we cannot pretend there hasn't been. | | |  | | | | Last edited: by hayley taylor |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,916 |
| | Posted: | | | | The General Forum says "anything and everything" can be discussed but the topic banning is also a trial. Be a little flexible in your thinking. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting richierich: Quote:
Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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Richie:
People make coments which offend and insult me, I can't pretend that they haven't either. Respect is always a two way street. you want it, give it. Dis respect me don't expect me to offer in return.Your comment i find insulting and totally unnecessary because it comes from a one-way street.
Oh and BTW the whole racist remark i find hilarious, no one knows what RACE anyone belongs to here, perhaps politically correct is a more appropriate term and i am not PC, never have been nor will I ever be, I will call always call it like I see it. I have never made any kind of a racist comment, perhaps culturally insensitive, but racist not a chance and I am offended at your slur and personal attack.
Did I attack ANYONE by name?
Skip
You lost me there?? I was answering Brians post, as quoted.
Not sure how that offended you??, but thanks for the red arrow anyway
Quoting richierich:
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Generally I don't have a major problem with a seperate opt-in forum for political or religious debate, despite not understanding why anyone would come to a dvd collecting site to express their feelings on such topics, surely there are better suited forums out there that specialise in this?
And Brian, there have been people here who have complained about racist, ethnic or sexist slurs which have offended them, we cannot pretend there hasn't been. Richie: The post now is not the post as I responded to it.  But that's OK. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
I can understand where those people are coming from. If people are coming here, to a forum that is primarily for DVDs, almost purely for discussing politics/religion, then some have got to wonder if this is the best place for them as there are other forums which directly relate to them. However if they just enjoy taking part in those discussions every now & then & are also happy to discuss other topics then it's a different situation.
Not saying that I agree with them, but I can understand their view. Just because people would like to participate in political or religious discussions on this forum, does not mean that they come here "almost purely for discussing politics/religion". I would think most people come here to find out what's going on with DVDP. Taking an occasional diversion to the "opt-in" forum to see if there are any interesting topics there, would be secondary....at least for me. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | - Removed -
Let's get back on topic all, please. - Moderator | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by Forum Moderator |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting DJ Doena:
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Quoting Unicus69:
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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'Troll' is not a derogatory term, it's an accusation.
Troll
Oh come on. The term is meant as an insult and to claim it isn't 'derogatory' is being disingenuous.
I haven't used that term on this board (AFAIR), but I have used it on others. And I always meant it that way. That I thought the other person was deliberately offensive to stir up the emotions and to provoke a retort.
I will take your word for it. I have used that term on these forums and I can honestly say that it was used as an accusation. At the time I believed the user in question was acting like a troll: causing arguments for the sake of it, attempting to derail discussion etc. and so I called them on it and accused them of being a troll. Of course you are right in that no-one likes to be called a troll, and would find it insulting to be called one. But that's different to using it as an insult. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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Let's get back on topic all, please. - Moderator Ken..... This is exactly what I mean by excessive moderation. I asked a simple question, based on a statement made by Skip earleir in this thread that I found to be very interesting and wanted clarification on..... And the Forum Moderator comes along and removes it........ Why????????? This is precisely what will drive me away!!!!!!! And this post is directly ON POINT for the subject of this thread....are you going to remove it also???????  | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | The on-going discussion over the definition of "troll" is off-topic...I don't see it being "removed"! | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm guessing it was removed because it would have changed the course of discussion away from moderation and towards another topic.
And remember Ken has said that the moderation is currently being very strict, precisely so we can eventually find an acceptable level.
I think it's enough that you express your dissatisfaction with the moderator's decision, did you really have to add that, in my opinion, "baiting" last comment? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I'm guessing it was removed because it would have changed the course of discussion away from moderation and towards another topic.
And remember Ken has said that the moderation is currently being very strict, precisely so we can eventually find an acceptable level.
I think it's enough that you express your dissatisfaction with the moderator's decision, did you really have to add that, in my opinion, "baiting" last comment? I'm simply pointing out the inconsistency in application. Sorry you took offense to it! | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Actually no offence was taken. Apologies if I gave that impression.
I just meant that writing what could be considered as an "inflammatory" question makes it more likely your post be removed - including your perfectly valid statement of dissatisfaction!
I only pointed it out because I didn't want to see your post disappear if the moderator did take exception to the last part. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Actually no offence was taken. Apologies if I gave that impression.
I just meant that writing what could be considered as an "inflammatory" question makes it more likely your post be removed - including your perfectly valid statement of dissatisfaction!
I only pointed it out because I didn't want to see your post disappear if the moderator did take exception to the last part. If that post disappears...so will I. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I'm simply pointing out the inconsistency in application.
Sorry you took offense to it! This, unfortunately, always happens with new moderators that are given the ability to edit posts. In my experience, you should never give a moderator that kind of power until you have a feel for their abilities. For some jobs, I had to refer posts for deletion, for several weeks, before I was ever given that ability. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Moderation is a learning experience. We're looking into bringing on a new support tech that can take over moderation regularly. However, let's keep perspective. A total of 16 posts have been edited by the moderators this entire week. They're doing their best to stop conflict before it gets out of hand. In this case they edited a couple of posts that other users had called to their attention then edited the final post (which they felt was continuing the conflict), with a message to get back on topic. Here is the original message: Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
They don't realize that I know who they are. I find this to be a fascinating statement. Care to explain how you know who they are. The moderators can't assess intent, they can only do their best to determine whether a post is on topic and whether it stands a chance to perpetuate an ongoing conflict. In this case they felt it did stand that chance, and took action to stop the conflict. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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