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Hiroshi Kan Ikeuchi common name
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKluge
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Puppeteer Hiroshi Kan Ikeuchi

Hiroshi "Kan" Ikeuchi" is credited in 17 titles (31 profiles) but only variants of
Aliens VS Predator 2
Monkey Bone

"Hiroshi Kan Ikeuchi" is credited in 6 titles (18 profiles):
Earth Vs. the Spider
Seed of Chucky (Faggot and Addicted2DVD)
Nutty Professor II: The Klumps
Spider-Man 2
Spinnen des Todes: Creature Feature

And there aren't ambiguous credits.
The bolded are verified.
So the common name should be Hiroshi Kan Ikeuchi, or am I wrong?
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Kluge:

The problem is that the CLT gives a completely different answer:

Kan = 6/18 "Kan" = 17/31

So Kan per the CLT is NOT the Commonly credited Name.

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Agree with Skip here.

The CLT is what it is...

Eat it and move on.... 
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Quoting Woola:
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Kluge:

The problem is that the CLT gives a completely different answer:

Kan = 6/18 "Kan" = 17/31

So Kan per the CLT is NOT the Commonly credited Name.

Skip


Sorry Skip, but if we reed the CLT results we can clearly see that the common name is Kan, because it appear in 5 title, while "kan" is only in 2 title...
I'm confused.
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How hard can this be Kluge?

Hiroshi Kan Ikeuchi  =  6/18
Hiroshi "Kan" Ikeuchi  =  17/31

Until you can effectivley change the "Kan"'s to the Kan's you will not be able to use Kan as common name... 

Is that so hard to understand?!   
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He's credited without any quotes in Seed of Chucky as per the CLT results.

Don't know what the other guys are on about, your maths seems ok to me Kluge as long as the other credits come back right.

PS. It might be helpful to know that Spinnen des Todes is the German title for the 2001 TV movie Earth vs. the Spider if anyone has it under that title instead.
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Quoting Kluge:
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Quoting Woola:
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Kluge:

The problem is that the CLT gives a completely different answer:

Kan = 6/18 "Kan" = 17/31

So Kan per the CLT is NOT the Commonly credited Name.

Skip


Sorry Skip, but if we reed the CLT results we can clearly see that the common name is Kan, because it appear in 4 title, while "kan" is only in 2 title...
I'm confused.

Kluge:

I don't have any idea where you are getting your results or what you are interpreting. The data is what it is. Based onwhat I see in the results, which are the same as those reported by both Berak and The mad Marttian, clearly "kab" IS the most Commonly credited name. You are doing some fairly strange interpreting, which I can only guess at, to create yor results, but they are not the results that are generated by the CLT itself.

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It's down to the poorly entered data. Once you filter them down to what they should be entered as "Kan" only has two distinct titles - AvP: Requiem & Monkeybone, all others are only variants of those two titles. On the other hand Kan has 4 titles, again once you filter out those that SHOULD be linked together.
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Except that calls for ASSUMPTIONS, which may or may NOT be correct, Forget. As has been noted repeatedly there is no guarantee that credit listings are the same across Regions/Localities or Version....in fact the opposite has been demonstrated. The ONLY way to verify that one way or the other is for EVERY title in which he is credited to be audited and verified, ONLY then can we generate a CORRECT CLT. We cannot do so by making global changes based upon an assumption which may well prove to be incorrect.. Right now the CLT results say than "Kan" IS the most Common Name, Period.

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It calls for no assumptions at all & variations of credited names don't factor into the equation AT ALL. The ONLY thing that factors in to it here is that they haven't been entered correctly (typically original title and/or formatting per the rules). If they had been the numbers would be the correct amount.
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You can't know that, Forget, you can make assumptions, but unless you OWN every possible title involved, YOU cannot categorically state that something is wrong beyond what you own. The assumption MAY be correct, but we know for an absolute FACT that your assumption can easily be INCORRECT as well. The ONLY way to determine that is for each and every version to be audited and verified, not assumed, ACTUALLY verified.

Unlike some users I am not willing to make assumptions about titles that have many possible iterations and I only own ONE or maybe TWO of. That data only applies to what I own. This is going to continue tyo be a controversy as long as users selectively pick and choose the words that ken has stated so that they can  twist them to their own advantage.

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What? We can't assume that Alien vs Predator 2 and AVP 2 or that Nutty Professor - The Klumps and Nutty Professor: The Klumps are the same films? 
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Going by CLT as well as external sources (http://movie-fan.jp/filmography/00156860.html), I think his name should be entered as:
First: Hiroshi
Middle: "Kan" (Kan is a pseudonym)
Last: Ikeuchi
That's my guess, at least
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Faggot:

What a strange name. We have proven that Credit lists are NOT necessarily the same across Versions, Region or Localities that a film may be released in . For example, one of the most famous these is two separate releases of Con Air which in one has Dave Chapelle credited and the other one has David Chapelle.

As has been stated numerous, times Faggot, since you are new to this party. This has been PROVEN. In fact over a year ago I began an experiment, based on what seemed a reasonable assumption, in fact the SAME assumption that this discussion is centered on.  That there would be ONE set of Credit for any given film, it seemed reasonable. I called on the Community to help with this experiment by verifying their own credits against the assumption, it took less than for that premise to beproven invalid, I repeat less than ONE WEEK. We don't know how often this happens, I suspect far more often than we might think, but that it happens at all invalidates any such assumed contributions.

Alos the Rukles do not tell us to make the kind of adjustments that Kluge is trying to make or that Forget is supporting, they simply say to use the CLT results, which he has not done. If adjustments need to be made in the future as other copies are properly verified, then that can easily be done, but no assumptions. When you assume something you make an Ass of U and Me.

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Quoting Taro:
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Going by CLT as well as external sources (http://movie-fan.jp/filmography/00156860.html), I think his name should be entered as:
First: Hiroshi
Middle: "Kan" (Kan is a pseudonym)
Last: Ikeuchi
That's my guess, at least

Now you are making up Rules Taro, there is no provision for external sources to supplement the CLT.

The CLT results are what they are. PERIOD.

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Quoting Woola:
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Alos the Rukles do not tell us to make the kind of adjustments that Kluge is trying to make or that Forget is supporting, they simply say to use the CLT results, which he has not done. If adjustments need to be made in the future as other copies are properly verified, then that can easily be done, but no assumptions. When you assume something you make an Ass of U and Me.

Skip

Skip/DP/Jubal/Woola,

You are missing what Kluge is saying; The "17" Titles are just "2", 4 ways to write "Monkeybone" and 13 ways to write "Aliens VS Predator 2". This leads to the other entry which was 6 titles.

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