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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Which is why communication in user notes becomes vitally important, Hal. Some users don't care, some DO and those that DO need the communication, since we can't rely on the Online, we have to rrely on the Communication user to user in our notes.

Skip

If capitalization is not relevant to what is stored in the main database, there's no need to discuss it in the notes.


Actually the online database can in fact retain the proper capitalization, if people take the time to match it in their local db before contributing.  I just don't believe people will go to that trouble, since only one version of the capitalization can exist in your local at any given time.

That may well prove to be true, Hal. In which case the Online becomesincreasingly useless to me as any kind of tool to develop my data.

Skip


Sorry, but I fail to see how this makes the on-line database useless in any way.

It does  if you are interested in correct data, Hal. If I know that De Banzie is coming from the Online, but de Banzie is the Actual credit, I can adjust accordingly, since that is what i want to see. I can leave mine at De Banzie (de Banzie) if that is what i have. Just as I am not interested in a suffix standard for my purposes, if the credit is Joe Jr. I want to know that. When I developed the Rule system I envisioned abase dataset which could be used by ALL, I find it moving increasingly to being useful by SOME or maybe even MOST, while users who have other interests are left to their own devices because the Online cannot counted on and users will not communicate with each other, that is sad, for me because I saw in profiler a program with a bright future, that has been significantly weakened and growing weaker all the time, sorry Ken.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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To YOU, James. Please don't try and force your standards upon me. that's why I summarily reject most of your updates. Thios is supposed to a cooperative process, a team effort, not just to benefit James or Tim or Skip, but ALL of us and we all have different priorities. You aren't going to know what mine are and i don't know or care what yours are. Simple clear and useful communication through our notes is all we have and is the key that each of us can use to maintain our local data as we want it to be. All you do is insult me, james when you tell me in effect, no I am not going to be part of the team, I am not going to communicate clearly and usefully with you, you have to guess whether my data is useful to YOU. I want to do it MY way (even if it is within the rules. My single big key is AS CREDITED, everything else I can work with and around as long as I have the notes to know what I am dealing with. Yet another example where I recognize the individualism of all of us as it pertains to our local data.

Skip

I'm not trying to force my standards on you. In fact, it seems that you want more than what is there. Notes are relevant only to the extent that they address the main database. The personal preferences of individual users are irrelevant and need not be addressed or accommodated in the notes. How can I possibly know what might be useful to others if it exceeds what's in the main database? There are way too many possibilities for what people might want to know. Therefore, I will stick with what's relevant to the main database.

Very simply. Be clear and complete in your notes, as I have explained repeatedly. CLT results, for example speaks tome, I checked the CLT says NOTHING of value. Just as Pete and i have mentioned vis a vis DISC IDs recently, entering of DiscID data is not required per the Rules in your notes but it is useful to the Community. It may not be to YOU and someothers buut there are users that it is useful information to have in notes....so I do it. Not because I have to, but it communicates information clearly and simply to all users that now and in the future that THISparticular piece of sdata has been entered and you can see exactly what the data IS, six moths from now, long after someone else perhaps has included another DIScID, you can SEE that your Disc ID is already in the sysetm.

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"I checked the CLT" is no different than saying "I checked the back of box."

If one needs more information than that, they are free to check the box or CLT on their own.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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"I checked the CLT" is no different than saying "I checked the back of box."

If one needs more information than that, they are free to check the box or CLT on their own.

That too communicates nothing, what did you check the box for...Cast and Crew.....unacceptable per the Rules.

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As I have said, I see an issue, i hope ken understands it and provides some input. i didn't realize that anything that Skip says or if he has an issue he is fair game to be put upon, insulted and belittled.

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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorm.cellophane
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Very simply. Be clear and complete in your notes, as I have explained repeatedly. CLT results, for example speaks tome, I checked the CLT says NOTHING of value. Just as Pete and i have mentioned vis a vis DISC IDs recently, entering of DiscID data is not required per the Rules in your notes but it is useful to the Community. It may not be to YOU and someothers buut there are users that it is useful information to have in notes....so I do it. Not because I have to, but it communicates information clearly and simply to all users that now and in the future that THISparticular piece of sdata has been entered and you can see exactly what the data IS, six moths from now, long after someone else perhaps has included another DIScID, you can SEE that your Disc ID is already in the sysetm.

Skip

I want to know who the set decorator and casting director are for every film, but no one lists that for me. Why? Because it's not relevant to the main database!
...James

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Very simply. Be clear and complete in your notes, as I have explained repeatedly. CLT results, for example speaks tome, I checked the CLT says NOTHING of value. Just as Pete and i have mentioned vis a vis DISC IDs recently, entering of DiscID data is not required per the Rules in your notes but it is useful to the Community. It may not be to YOU and someothers buut there are users that it is useful information to have in notes....so I do it. Not because I have to, but it communicates information clearly and simply to all users that now and in the future that THISparticular piece of sdata has been entered and you can see exactly what the data IS, six moths from now, long after someone else perhaps has included another DIScID, you can SEE that your Disc ID is already in the sysetm.

Skip

I want to know who the set decorator and casting director are for every film, but no one lists that for me. Why? Because it's not relevant to the main database!


Wrong, James. It is not listed because Ken has not YET chosen to add them, that simple nothing more or less. Will he? I don't know, I would guess he will at some point.

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Alba Iused Spot for all of 5 minutes and found their system to be way too simplified, so simplified that I couldn't figure out why it existed let alone why i would want to use it. To me it was about as worthless as IMDb, no I take that back IMDb is more useful than Spot ever was. God help us if Ken goes that way.

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To me it was about as worthless as IMDb, no I take that back IMDb is more useful than Spot ever was.

Skip


I'd have to disagree to an extent. As information for actors and directors and such, yes, IMDB is more useful than Spot was.

However, for a site to track the DVDs you own and your friends own, Spot was leagues better than IMDB can ever hope to be.

I don't quite understand this statement, to be honest, as the two sites were utilized for two separate things. It's like saying Pep Boys is much more useful than McDonald's ever was. 
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Can we TRY to keep this thread about the rules as they are updated? 
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Can we TRY to keep this thread about the rules as they are updated? 


Damn, yeah, sorry. My apologies. 
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Alba Iused Spot for all of 5 minutes and found their system to be way too simplified, so simplified that I couldn't figure out why it existed let alone why i would want to use it. To me it was about as worthless as IMDb, no I take that back IMDb is more useful than Spot ever was. God help us if Ken goes that way.

Skip


As simple as ordering Domino's Pizza 
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And who said anything about Spot in any case?
I didn't. Alba didn't. AR didn't.
It's dead. We've moved on. Why can't you?

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Can we TRY to keep this thread about the rules as they are updated? 

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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This thread has begun to degenerate, i have explained what i see and asked for ken's clarification. If he doesn't understand I will try to clarify for him, but I will wait for his response. To me this is a very serious issue, and i don't really care about anyone else's thoughts unless they are directed at helping to figure it out, I simply want to try and figure this out.

Actually there are several issues which run parallel to this which i have mentioned as well. I don't believe, at this point that I can explain it further. The ball is in your court, Ken.

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