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If that would be useful information for you, Martian, I would be only too happy to provide it and therin lies the difference. It's only a few strokes on the keyboard, and i am not lazy.

Skip

I would not, however, expect any user to do that for me and therin lies the difference.  For me, it isn't about the other user being lazy, it is about me expecting him to do more than is required by Invelos.  As long as a user is following the rules, I am happy.  To expect them to do more than that, in my opinion, is unreasonable.

Fully agree with Martian. What Skip seems to forget is that most DVDP users are unable and probably unwilling to spend 7-8 hours on this program a day, like he said he's doing himself earlier in this thread. Given the fact that most users act within a limited time frame, I'd rather have them spend that time on contributing and documenting in agreement with Invelos requirements than on suiting the additional preferences of individuals. The time the latter would take can be put to better use for the community at large doing more of the former instead.

First off deejay let set you straight. I said I was 2-4 weeks behind on my updates, about 120 and that would be 6-8 hours. Now if i spen that much on the program per day, i wouldn't be that far behind would I. Secondly as I said I don't what Most users do or want, I designed the Rule system with Dan to accomodate ALL users, not some, not MOST, not a majority, ALL. Now as to your comment regarding " I'd rather have them spend that time on contributing and documenting in agreement with Invelos requirements than on suiting the additional preferences of individuals. The time the latter would take can be put to better use for the community at large doing more of the former instead" Well we have a community that does not appreciate the effort. we have a Community that would prefer to spend it's time with Beat down Skip and Ban Skip threads, give mea reason and i'll be happy too. The last several users we have begun to move towards something that is useable and fucntional for some users and to hell with anybody else. If you happen to be somebody who is serious about data...too bad.

At Hal
"If you were, you would enter it as "Danny DeVito [DANNY DEVITO]"

No Hal, the system was designed to standard caps as you know, so DANNY DEVITO is Danny Devito.
How ridiculous.

Skip

Paul:

I am willing to go wherever I need to go if a user thinks I could do something to be clearer, even if it is only for him. I figure it simply, if there is one, there is probably more. Very simple, I am always seeking ways to be more clear, never less.

Like I have said, I include the disc ID in my notes, not because I have to, I don't, but because I know thta it is useful reference data for the community to have, Pete doe sit a little differently, and i like his idea so I am going to adopt it myself. This is how we get a good database, not by users refusing to communicate because they aren't forced to, but out of a sense of responsibility to each other and to function as a team. That sense of responsibility on my part drivesme to want to help the Community and any user I can and if i can do that in Notes, great, I am more than willing.

Some users have seen my notes or Pete's and recognize the value therein and copy the style in their own way, and their notes are very useful as reference points, particularly when I am updating weeks or months after I have voted or seen a potential update. And I view it very simply, you are either part of the team or you aren't. I will have no one complain because my notes are not clear, complete and useful, they can comp[lain about the length, that doesn't bother me at all, if in the end analysis theyhelp one user to understand clearly what was done and why,  then it is worth it.

I don't look for ways to make my life easier or lessen my keystrokes as that is ultimately not valuable to the Community. the notes are our bibliography. As I have noted, you would not find a book with a bibliography to be very useful or to be trusted with a source note that said, I checked the source so you don't have to...trust me. LOL. On of the major problems with another database is that their data is just there, there is no sourcing of any kind. It is hard for me to respect people who don't or won't try and be clear and useful in their notes. Fortunately those are are in the minority in my experience, some people could do a little better but they do try, the ones who won't are simply wasting my time because I will not accept their data. I simply don't understand why we as a group here don't understand these simple concepts, they are designed to help each other, not make life difficult for any, to, in fact, make all of our lives much easier and produce a high caliber product.

This is also about a specific issue that was raised by Ken, Paul and I need the answer, you can't give it to me nor can any of the other people who have weighed in or chosen to be insulting. I can only have one entry per name when it relates to caps, I simply wnat to know what the Actual credit reads so I can adjjust my data or not as necessary, I don't think that is asking a whole lot from Ken or anyone else. If the credit redas de Banzie, but the CLT is going to try throw De Banzie at me i need to know how to react here. I can appreciate what Ken is trying to do by ignoring caps but some users want to reflect what the Credited data really is and if in the pprocess of ignoring Caps he winds up corrupting someone's local data, that's not a good thing.  ALL users, not SOME, not Most, not a Majority, but ALL users need to be able to know how to respond. Even if the CLT says De Banzie and De Banzie is what I have locally, it is possible that de Banzie IS the Credit, you might not consider itimportant, Most might not consider it important...I do, and that lack of imformation makes the data less functional and less useable to ME and anyone else who feels the same, but even if I am the only user, so what...ALL users.


Skip

Tim you don't and can't know that. you may well be right, but as I said much eralier, I see an issue and only ken answer it.

Skip

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Well we have a community that does not appreciate the effort.

Skip

I agree with this statement (albeit out of context).

I can understand where Skip is coming from (although I don't personally agree with him). However, Skip, I think you're wasting your breathe.
Even if every member of this forum agreed to include the information your require in their notes (which won't happen, of course)...what are you going to do about the thousands of other contributors who don't come in this forum?
How are you going to communicate your requirements to them?

Ken has made it very clear that CLT results are not required in the notes (quite rightly so IMO, people can check the info themselves); so I can't seem him implementing the change you require, Skip.

The 'effort' we all make to this program is contributing in the first place. You impose too many unreasonable rules and restrictions and people stop contributing.

What makes Profiler brilliant, IMO, is its customisation abilities. The very fact that we don't have to have our data the same way as everyone else is a big selling point.
I personally track Choreographer and Additional Music - but I don't expect other users to list those in their notes for me to add locally.

I understand all the points you make regarding this issue, Skip; but I don't see a change happening just because one user wants it to happen.

Finally, regarding Notes - to me they're just a waste of space. I have learned from experience that if I don't check every profile personally then my database is going to be ruined by other people.

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you may well be right

Indeed I am - I'll repeat it once more: the CLT is no factor in your "issue", because it simply doesn't care about capitalisation.

Tim:

Let me put it in stronger terms. I am not interested in your opinion on this you can't know the answer. Ken does  and it is his input I want, to answer his statement, not YOURS or anyone else's. Yhank you very much

@ Neill

I know, pal.

Skip

I'll wait for ken, Tim. At this point your input or anyone else's is neither required nor appreciated. I am sure you nave no idea why I say that and it would take way to long to explain, just do me a favor and butt out.

This thread now reaches 5 pages of largely Skip bashing and insulting, Tim, don't make it any worse. It is obvious to me from your comments that you don't even really understand the issue. Just let Ken provide the answer....PLEASE.

Skip

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I wouldn't doubt that ken might be lost because you and others had to put in you two cents, while others chose to just interject nonsense or insulting remarks. I said...PLEASE, Tim. f Ken is confused i will explain it for him again, but I don't need nor want your input on this, or anyone else's...PLEASE tim don't push me any further. Just leave it alone. Oh I understand your Contributions and lousy documentation well, enough, Tim. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Skip

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I don't need nor want your input on this, or anyone else's...

There is a simple way to avoid other users opinions. Don't come to this forum. You are not the one who has a say who can write to this forum. I still don't understand that how is the FACT that CLT doesn't care about the capitalization an insult against you?