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What I do not understand is ... why it is such a huge deal.

I already explained that here.

It's no different than if someone is credited as "Charles" in some films and "Charlie" in others.  It doesn't matter which one is "correct".

While I do accept Ken's ruling, you have to accept that it's different than Charlie vs. Charles because it's not Andre vs. André but ANDRE vs. André. IMO opinion Ken's ruling should have been different because you can easily spot if credits which are all caps have dropped all accents or not. I have no problem to accept Andre in a credit list where I can see that the editor has used accents in other names. But it hurts my aesthetic and language feelings if I can't convert ANDRE to André for credits which are all caps where I can see that ALL accents have been dropped and I know that this André writes his name in mixed case with an accent. But Ken has ruled and chosen the easy (but IMO inferior) route.

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Except for one small problem, both you and Yves believe that you can interpret based on arcane cultural Rules. Don't bother to explain them to me, i know them all too well. However we are dealing with DATA and as such how do you explain your cultural interpretation when a filmmaker chooses to ignore them such as ANDRÉ, which does NOT follow the cultural rule. but even though it doesn't, it has been seen in credits, not onl;y that it's part of Microsoft Character Map, maybe you and Yves should go try and offer language lessons to Bill Gates, i am sure you will get a very warm reception. Follow the data and stop trying to create cultural interpretations outside of YOUR OWN local.

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What I do not understand is ... why it is such a huge deal.

I already explained that here.

It's no different than if someone is credited as "Charles" in some films and "Charlie" in others.  It doesn't matter which one is "correct".

While I do accept Ken's ruling, you have to accept that it's different than Charlie vs. Charles because it's not Andre vs. André but ANDRE vs. André. IMO opinion Ken's ruling should have been different because you can easily spot if credits which are all caps have dropped all accents or not. I have no problem to accept Andre in a credit list where I can see that the editor has used accents in other names. But it hurts my aesthetic and language feelings if I can't convert ANDRE to André for credits which are all caps where I can see that ALL accents have been dropped and I know that this André writes his name in mixed case with an accent. But Ken has ruled and chosen the easy (but IMO inferior) route.

How can I know this for ANDREAS Voutsinas (for example), that was born in Sudan, worked in USA and live in France? He is credited only in one film Andréas Voutsinas.

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What I do not understand is ... why it is such a huge deal.

I already explained that here.

It's no different than if someone is credited as "Charles" in some films and "Charlie" in others.  It doesn't matter which one is "correct".

While I do accept Ken's ruling, you have to accept that it's different than Charlie vs. Charles because it's not Andre vs. André but ANDRE vs. André. IMO opinion Ken's ruling should have been different because you can easily spot if credits which are all caps have dropped all accents or not. I have no problem to accept Andre in a credit list where I can see that the editor has used accents in other names. But it hurts my aesthetic and language feelings if I can't convert ANDRE to André for credits which are all caps where I can see that ALL accents have been dropped and I know that this André writes his name in mixed case with an accent. But Ken has ruled and chosen the easy (but IMO inferior) route.

How can I know this for ANDREAS Voutsinas (for example), that was born in Sudan, worked in USA and live in France? He is credited only in one film Andréas Voutsinas.

Is he credited as Andreas in some films (or only as ANDREAS and Andréas)? If Andreas is common for him, I have no problems to convert ANDREAS to Andreas. But if Andréas is common for him (only one credit in this case) I would convert ANDREAS to Andréas in that case if Ken's ruling would have been different.

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While I do accept Ken's ruling, (...)

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(...) Follow the data and stop trying to create cultural interpretations outside of YOUR OWN local.

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(...) if they THINK they know what someone's "correct" name is they can do that locally to their heart's content, but what they THINK when it differs from the data has no relevance to the online.

I am just amused that they believ that they KNOW what everyone's "correct" name is, based only upon exceedingly limited information, which may or may not be correct. just follow the data.

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(...) if Ken's ruling would have been different.

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You have NO basis to make such a conversion anywhere but locally.(...)

Please, read what I have written (specially the quoted parts in this post), before attacking me personally for anything which I have never said nor done.

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That sounds like a personal problem between you and Ken.

I do not think that any of this sort of discussion is a personal problem with Ken. In fact, in most cases, Ken decides what most (or the most vocal) users ask. His position in this case come just after an incredible fuss made by one user against Gerri's position, that was exactly what RHo, me and some other users wanted. Just we were not able to convince him.

I think it is important to say what we think. If everybody is happy with mediocrity, things will never improve. Ken reads probably most of those discussions. When he takes his decisions, at least he knows everyone's opinions.

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Ken reads probably most of those discussions. When he takes his decisions, at least he knows everyone's opinions.

And it appears he's made a decision on this issue so I don't see the point in the continued discussion.

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Is he credited as Andreas in some films (or only as ANDREAS and Andréas)? If Andreas is common for him, I have no problems to convert ANDREAS to Andreas. But if Andréas is common for him (only one credit in this case) I would convert ANDREAS to Andréas in that case if Ken's ruling would have been different.

In this specific case honestly I don't remember (but it's very possible), anyway I don't know (and don't need to know) if is correct convert ANDREAS to Andréas, because we have rules that say how to covert that name.