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  | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | It has been discussed before and there's still no real consensus. For the sake of the credit lookup tool it would be nice reaching some kind of agreement on this matter and this should be addressed in the rules as well. Personally I think the following would be best for the original title field of the parent profiles: CoO USA TV series for all localities: [TV series title]: Season [#] CoO UK TV series for all localities: [TV series title]: Series [#] CoO NL TV series for all localities: [TV series title]: Seizoen [#] and so on... Examples: Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season 1 Desperate Housewives: Season 3 'Allo 'Allo: Series 5 Fawlty Towers: Series 1 Gooische Vrouwen: Seizoen 1 For the child profiles I think the same would apply. I think that in this way there's a structure and it will help sorting out the CLT results. What do you think? Feedback please  | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would have no problem with that since I'm doing it that way anyway - locally of course.
The last consensus I can remember was to use a literal translation from the purchase locality to the CoO locality. But I agree that doesn't help when different countries use different way of describing a season (The Complete Season One, The Complete Season 1, The Complete First Season, Season One, ...). | | | Karsten
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,946 |
| | Posted: | | | | Actually, this is how I see it.
For CLT purposes, the Original Title should be the same no matter what locality.
In your example, each locality counts as 1 title, where as 1 season should only count as 1 title worldwide.
Same for the child profiles, they should have the same original title as the parent profile, or we add multiple fake titles again.
So, a good format would be: Series Title: Season X.
The title field can still hold the exact cover title, so no information is lost. | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cvermeylen: Quote:
For CLT purposes, the Original Title should be the same no matter what locality. We have a winner! While I'm open for anything that improves on the current (pretty horrible) situation, I maintain that the best way to solve this is to move every form of season/disc indicator out of the title fields. Instead, we should simply have a separate field for season/disc indicators - a field that can then be blissfully ignored by the CLT. |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cvermeylen: Quote:
Actually, this is how I see it.
For CLT purposes, the Original Title should be the same no matter what locality.
In your example, each locality counts as 1 title, where as 1 season should only count as 1 title worldwide.
Same for the child profiles, they should have the same original title as the parent profile, or we add multiple fake titles again.
So, a good format would be: Series Title: Season X.
The title field can still hold the exact cover title, so no information is lost. Then you have misinterpreted/read my proposal or I wasn't clear enough. I think we should use the season indicator used in the country in which the TV series is produced in all localities. I'm talking about the CoO, not the localities because that should be the same. So for USA TV series always 'Season' for all localities, for UK TV series always 'Series' and so on. For the simplicity it probably will be better using this format in all cases: [TV series title]: Season [#] | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting cvermeylen:
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For CLT purposes, the Original Title should be the same no matter what locality.
We have a winner!
While I'm open for anything that improves on the current (pretty horrible) situation, I maintain that the best way to solve this is to move every form of season/disc indicator out of the title fields. Instead, we should simply have a separate field for season/disc indicators - a field that can then be blissfully ignored by the CLT. That would be even better. | | | | Cor |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,946 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree, that the disc indicator should not be in the original title field. But the season should be there.
In a lot of cases, a common name changes from season to season. By moving the season indicator out of the original title field, we have only one title for multiple series.
I have no preference for the title field/edition field combination regarding the season indicators. Either way would work for me.
P.S.: Corne I had indeed misinterpreted your post. | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,188 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
While I'm open for anything that improves on the current (pretty horrible) situation, I maintain that the best way to solve this is to move every form of season/disc indicator out of the title fields. Instead, we should simply have a separate field for season/disc indicators - a field that can then be blissfully ignored by the CLT. ^This, especially since Season X might be Season Y in another locality, or even Y/2.  | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cvermeylen: Quote:
I agree, that the disc indicator should not be in the original title field. But the season should be there.
In a lot of cases, a common name changes from season to season. By moving the season indicator out of the original title field, we have only one title for multiple series.
I have no preference for the title field/edition field combination regarding the season indicators. Either way would work for me.
P.S.: Corne I had indeed misinterpreted your post. You're right. A season indicator would be needed. For the child profiles I suggest the same, Season indicator only (I wouldn't mind an in-built disc indicator in the software). If an in-built season indicator would be converted into the online CLT then T!M's suggestion would be best. For now we're stuck to the original title field. | | | | Cor |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was just thinking about Anthologies of Episodes. These are still a bit of a problem because in that case it could be a collection of episodes from different seasons. I'm thinking about two options:
1. Only the title of the series in the original title field.
2. If the collection of episodes is just from one season only then with a season descriptor. | | | | Cor |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
I was just thinking about Anthologies of Episodes. If, as I've suggested, we can get Invelos to move any form of season/disc indicators out of both title fields (and into a new field, of course), that wouldn't pose any problem. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cvermeylen: Quote:
I agree, that the disc indicator should not be in the original title field. If you use Title Format that only shows Original Title you wouldn't be able to see disc indicators without opening the profile to edit mode, not good. |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
Quoting cvermeylen:
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I agree, that the disc indicator should not be in the original title field.
If you use Title Format that only shows Original Title you wouldn't be able to see disc indicators without opening the profile to edit mode, not good. I'm sure you would see them. Keep in mind that adding a new field for season/discs indicators requires a program change by Invelos. If a new field for season/disc indicators were to be added, it goes without saying that this side-effect would be addressed at the same time. There'd be absolutely no sense in adding a new field and then making it invisible. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
While I'm open for anything that improves on the current (pretty horrible) situation, I maintain that the best way to solve this is to move every form of season/disc indicator out of the title fields. Instead, we should simply have a separate field for season/disc indicators - a field that can then be blissfully ignored by the CLT. Brilliant. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,311 |
| | Posted: | | | | While I agree a program change for this would be good... don't I remember Gerri making a statement on this before? I can't seem to find it... but you know how that goes... hard to find anything here. But I could have sworn Gerri made some sort of statement on this before. Anyone remember? | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 287 |
| | Posted: | | | | You mean this? It's time for a civil discussion  time for a standard rule for season/disc indicators | | | | Last edited: by JeroenX |
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