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| Registered: July 29, 2007 |  Posts: 183 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've just got a DVD not being in the DB. I've copied cast & crew from a different release / profile and was comparing the profle with the actual end credits of the movie. It was a perfect match except for one actor's name. With a little research I think I found out (I don't spreak french) that it's the character of a french comedian, not the comedian himself who got the credits. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Dujardin example: it's like Ali G. as The Pimp or Silent Bob as The Fat Guy would appear in a movies credits. So, what to do? Simply correct the name to the one of the fake character? IMHO this makes not much sense, at least not for the linking system. Edit: If this really would be the right solotion (I don't hope so) does the name have to be completly in the first name field? I think I remember something like that for stage- and nicknames. Or use the comedians real name with "credited as"? The guy isn't credited at all and it can't be confirmed by me. Seems to be the best solution anyway, but my feelings say it's wrong here at Invelos  | | | | Last edited: by Corma |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, I must admit I do not understand what is the problem.
Could you give us the title of the movie, the actor/role in credits and the actor/role in the copied profile ? | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | It all depends on which name variant he's mostly credited as. If he's mostly credited as Jean Dujardin (CLT reports 72 titles), then that's the common name you'd use. If, however, he's mostly credited as that fictitious name variant, then that's what we'd use, no matter whether it's fictitious or not. If the credit is different than the common name, the actual on-screen credit gets retained in the "credited as" field.
You don't state the name of the film or the fictitious name, so I can't provide a definitive answer, but judging from the 72 "Jean Dujardin" titles in the database, I expect that you would enter this as Jean Dujardin, credited as that fictitious name variant (thus: "Jean Dujardin [fictitious name variant]"). |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 17,329 |
| | Posted: | | | | The only way to use Credited as is if the "real" name is the most credited form for said comedian. So you need to check which is the most credited for for all appearances in all the titles he appears in. Then if the "Real" name is the most common you can use it with Credited as... but if the credited name is the most common you must use that.
I believe in some cases a popular character name becomes more of a stage name for some people so if that is the case (as it sounds with the examples you gave)... that is how I would look at it (as a stage name). | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,329 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tim a few seconds quicker then I  | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: July 29, 2007 | | Posts: 183 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Could you give us the title of the movie, the actor/role in credits and the actor/role in the copied profile ? Alright, but don't complain if somebody else messes around in that profile Again, I'm sorry if my english causes trouble, I'd express it better if I could. BTW - I know the AKA rules here, the problem in this case iis that I have no idea if the guy really is Jean Dujardin. All I would do is guess the person who originally entered the cast into the profile knew what he was doing. The movie is called Hellphone, the credits I've copied are from UPC: 3-259130-236132 the movies credits are: Brice Agostini - Warrior... the profile entry: Jean Dujardin - Warrior... | | | | Last edited: by Corma |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | If it is the same as for example "The Rock" with the real Name "Dwayne Johnson", we have to do as suggested above. Find out the CLT counts for all variants, the one with the highest number of titles gets the common name, this is the variant that gets entered, with, if needed, the credited as from the current credits. |
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| Registered: July 29, 2007 | | Posts: 183 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
If it is the same as for example "The Rock" with the real Name "Dwayne Johnson", we have to do as suggested above. Find out the CLT counts for all variants, the one with the highest number of titles gets the common name, this is the variant that gets entered, with, if needed, the credited as from the current credits. LOL - and that another point why this whole CLT system isn't really working. There is no entry for" Brice" but not because he wasn't credited, it's because the profile editors used common sense... | | | | Last edited: by Corma |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,329 |
| | Posted: | | | | Personally I never go by what the previous contributor said... or did... either way what they did is wrong since (going by what you said) the name in the credits is not in the Credited as field. So I would go strictly by what the rules tells us to do. I would do some research to see if the name "Brice Agostini" is really one of the character names or an AKA for Jean Dujardin in one way or another... but if I find nothing I would go strictly per the credits. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corma: Quote:
Quoting VirusPil:
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If it is the same as for example "The Rock" with the real Name "Dwayne Johnson", we have to do as suggested above. Find out the CLT counts for all variants, the one with the highest number of titles gets the common name, this is the variant that gets entered, with, if needed, the credited as from the current credits.
LOL - and that another point why this whole CLT system isn't really working. There is no entry for" Brice" but not because he wasn't credited, it's because the profile editors used common sense... No, it's because they didn't use the System correct. Edit: The purpose of the common name is to reflect the most credit form of different name variants. So if the person is credited as "Jean Dujardin" the most it gets the common name. I could imagine the idea behind this: How can we say which is the name an actor is known? -> Perhaps depending on personnel knowledge or other subjective points. But with number of credits we have something we can count, which is in theory the same for all. To get this work of course it is also needed to enter the credited as. In this case "Brice Agostini". Then you get the correct linking and you have also the current movie credit tracked. | | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,329 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corma: Quote:
Quoting VirusPil:
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If it is the same as for example "The Rock" with the real Name "Dwayne Johnson", we have to do as suggested above. Find out the CLT counts for all variants, the one with the highest number of titles gets the common name, this is the variant that gets entered, with, if needed, the credited as from the current credits.
LOL - and that another point why this whole CLT system isn't really working. There is no entry for" Brice" but not because he wasn't credited, it's because the profile editors used common sense... Common sense to who? To you and the original contributor maybe... but to me personally... common sense tells me that name is not in the credits... so shouldn't be in the profile..unless it is proven to be the common name... and then still credited as should be used to show in the profile what is actually in the credits. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: July 29, 2007 | | Posts: 183 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Common sense to who? To you and the original contributor maybe... Don't blame me for entries other made. If I would't care I would't ask. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,329 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am not blaming you... and if it came off that way I apologize. I was only trying to show you that what seems like common sense may not be to everyone. It is just a little pet peeve of mine. Sorry if you took it other then how I meant it though. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corma: Quote:
The movie is called Hellphone, the credits I've copied are from UPC: 3-259130-236132
the movies credits are:
Brice Agostini - Warrior...
the profile entry:
Jean Dujardin - Warrior... There is IMO no problem. Jean Dujardin (probably the most well-known French actor of the moment) played in Hellphone. You said you verified he is credited as Brice Agostini. So we should have Jean Dujardin (credited as Brice Agostini) - Warrior | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
How can we say which is the name an actor is known? -> Perhaps depending on personnel knowledge or other subjective points.  This could be a question for unknown actors, but in France Jean Dujardin is known by quite everybody, probably much more than Harrison Ford, Bruce Willis, Nicole Kidman or even Sean Connery. Would you ask which is the common name for Nicole Kidman? | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,329 |
| | Posted: | | | | The world is a much bigger place then France. I know I never heard of this person... and willing to bet the majority of the world (beyond France) hasn't either.
He may be an unknown to people other then the French... and this is a world wide program. | | | | Pete |
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