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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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I voted "no" on a profile that is adding ADR Voices to the Cast list. But, I'm wondering if this is correct or not.

So, do people who do ADR Voices get Cast credit in DVDP?
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I'm with you on this Kathy since it was my profile. I have many profiles that I downloaded from the database that have ADR & Loop groups in them. So a little community clarity would be nice.
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ADR is crew, not cast.  Additional Voices, yes.  ADR, no.
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ADR is crew, not cast.  Additional Voices, yes.  ADR, no.


James Earl Jones was ADR Dubbed for Darth Vader. So no credit for him, or just the lesser known actors.
Where is the line drawn.
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ADR is crew, not cast.  Additional Voices, yes.  ADR, no.


James Earl Jones was ADR Dubbed for Darth Vader. So no credit for him, or just the lesser known actors.
Where is the line drawn.


Like with any cast member who is uncredited, with proper documentation, he would be listed last as Darth Vader's Voice or Voice of Darth Vader (Uncredited). Don't know how he's in there now, though.
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Like with any cast member who is uncredited, with proper documentation, he would be listed last as Darth Vader's Voice or Voice of Darth Vader (Uncredited). Don't know how he's in there now, though.

That is fine. But my point is whether it is Mel Gibson doing a voice for Chicken Run, or James Earl Jones doing it for Star Wars it is ADR. I think Anne Lockhart or Catherine Cavadini doing voice-over work and credited as ADR in the credits are just as important.
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Like with any cast member who is uncredited, with proper documentation, he would be listed last as Darth Vader's Voice or Voice of Darth Vader (Uncredited). Don't know how he's in there now, though.


That is fine. But my point is whether it is Mel Gibson doing a voice for Chicken Run, or James Earl Jones doing it for Star Wars it is ADR. I think Anne Lockhart or Catherine Cavadini doing voice-over work and credited as ADR in the credits are just as important.

I understand what you're saying. It's yet another item that should be addressed one way or another.
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Like with any cast member who is uncredited, with proper documentation, he would be listed last as Darth Vader's Voice or Voice of Darth Vader (Uncredited). Don't know how he's in there now, though.


That is fine. But my point is whether it is Mel Gibson doing a voice for Chicken Run, or James Earl Jones doing it for Star Wars it is ADR. I think Anne Lockhart or Catherine Cavadini doing voice-over work and credited as ADR in the credits are just as important.


I understand what you're saying. It's yet another item that should be addressed one way or another.

Well I won't put up any profiles with ADR or loop group in them. But any I edit I won't be removing existing ADR credits either. I'll stick to missing art and sound crew and credited as names.
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ADR is crew, not cast.  Additional Voices, yes.  ADR, no.


James Earl Jones was ADR Dubbed for Darth Vader. So no credit for him, or just the lesser known actors.

I don't believe James Earl Jones was credited as ADR...not that it matters, at least for me.  If he were credited as ADR, I would not have included him in a contribution.
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Where is the line drawn.

The last time I can remember this coming up, the line was drawn, 62 to 19, at people credited as ADR.
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ADR is crew, not cast.  Additional Voices, yes.  ADR, no.


James Earl Jones was ADR Dubbed for Darth Vader. So no credit for him, or just the lesser known actors.

I don't believe James Earl Jones was credited as ADR...not that it matters, at least for me.  If he were credited as ADR, I would not have included him in a contribution.
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Where is the line drawn.

The last time I can remember this coming up, the line was drawn, 62 to 19, at people credited as ADR.


Thanks for the link. It would have been a better 'read' if they would have left the off topic replies in it.
Now I know where the line is, in front of 62 people who are wrong. IMO
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Thought I was done with this thread, but I was doing an edit for Aquamarine and came across a credit in the sound section with the ADR recordists. the credit is Voice Actor - E. G. Daily. Checked her other credits and she is the voice of Tommy Pickles (Rugrats) & Buttercup (Powerpuff Girls). So she is considered crew in this movie, being credited in the Sound section even thought she is credited as Voice Actor?
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On the latest topic, there is no exclusion for Additional Voices - if they're in the credits, they should be included. We include similar non-specific live-action credits, such as an actor credited as "Various roles".  We also include specific voice actors, so I don't see a compelling reason to exclude non-specific voice credits.


Link to original thread in the Rules Discussion Forum (Access Rights Required!): http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=438798&PageNum=9

Since ADR, Loop-Group or similar are simply what Ken called "non-specific voice credits" I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be entered.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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On the latest topic, there is no exclusion for Additional Voices - if they're in the credits, they should be included. We include similar non-specific live-action credits, such as an actor credited as "Various roles".  We also include specific voice actors, so I don't see a compelling reason to exclude non-specific voice credits.


Link to original thread in the Rules Discussion Forum (Access Rights Required!): http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=438798&PageNum=9

Since ADR, Loop-Group or similar are simply what Ken called "non-specific voice credits" I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be entered.



This decides it for me - thank you for the link (and a green arrow from me too!) - I will change my vote accordingly.
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I read that discussion, and am not sure that it should be extended to ADR.  Typically additional voices are non specific voices for characters of some type.  ADR can be as simple as a group of people providing a "crowd murmur".  In a lot of movies, ADR is performed by the actors associated with that role (do to problems with onset sound).

I would actually vote, that ADR is still a "job Function" as to a role associated with cast.

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Quoting Kathy:
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Quoting Silence_of_Lambs:
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Quoting Ken Cole (bold by me):
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On the latest topic, there is no exclusion for Additional Voices - if they're in the credits, they should be included. We include similar non-specific live-action credits, such as an actor credited as "Various roles".  We also include specific voice actors, so I don't see a compelling reason to exclude non-specific voice credits.


Link to original thread in the Rules Discussion Forum (Access Rights Required!): http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=438798&PageNum=9



Since ADR, Loop-Group or similar are simply what Ken called "non-specific voice credits" I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be entered.



This decides it for me - thank you for the link (and a green arrow from me too!) - I will change my vote accordingly.



I've already withdrawn my contribution. I will post it again and see how it goes.
I thought this had already been covered in the Catherine Cavadini common name thread because she was credited with alot of ADR credits.
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Quoting Silence_of_Lambs:
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Quoting Ken Cole (bold by me):
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On the latest topic, there is no exclusion for Additional Voices - if they're in the credits, they should be included. We include similar non-specific live-action credits, such as an actor credited as "Various roles".  We also include specific voice actors, so I don't see a compelling reason to exclude non-specific voice credits.


Link to original thread in the Rules Discussion Forum (Access Rights Required!): http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=438798&PageNum=9

Since ADR, Loop-Group or similar are simply what Ken called "non-specific voice credits" I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be entered.

Ken said, and I quote, "On the latest topic, there is no exclusion for Additional Voices..."  The discussion was not about ADR, it was about the exclusion of people listed under a heading of 'Additional Voices' or other not specific voice credit...the key word being 'voice'.  Any attempt to make it mean more than that is, in my opinion, reaching.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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