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"The Adventures of Tintin: The Secret of the Unicorn" Cast
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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You really are something. You have such a great way of being insulting... without really being insulting. You have a way of stating your opinions, as if they are fact and nobody should question them, but in a way where you can always backtrack and say, "I never said that."

I still don't see a point being made.  This is an animated film and the rule is fairly clear when it comes to animated films.  That is my opinion...if you have something to counter that, please do so otherwise what was your point?  If you find my pointing out that you didn't make a point insulting, well, not much I can do about that.
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Your opinion and welcome to it, I don't share it.
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The lines between "real life acting" and "virtual acting" are getting more and more blurred, making this all the more difficult to judge ... but I'm still gonna have to go with voice acting.

Ideally, we would check "voice acting" and "motion capture acting" (if we had the option), but perhaps that would be going too far into detail? 
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This is a simple case of sa rule and/or program change to reflect the changing industry.


True... but until the Rule does change it is quite clear as per Martian's post. If/when it chages than we go back and modify the credits for DVDP, not before it changes.
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Thanks to all for your input on this subject 

And thanks to CharlieM for the rule reminder... I really did not remember this 

So until a rule change I'll stick with voice cast for the online and standard cast for my local db in such cases.
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Sorry to bother again, but looking at the credits I got another question. At timecode 1:42:12 there's an Additional Unit listed and inside a group of "Utilitiy Motion Capture Performers" followed by 3 performers with role names too... are these credits contributable in dvd profiler or not? 

And another one... does a credited "FX Supervisor" (no "Visual/Digital/Special/Special Visual" just plain "FX") get a "Visual Effects"-entry in the Art-Section of the Crew? 
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Your opinion and welcome to it, I don't share it.

Is The Adventures of Tintin an animated film?  If yes, per the rules, you must "use the "Voice" checkbox."  I honestly don't see how you can interpret the rule any other way. 
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Simple martian. As I earlier commented such a credit completely misrepresents the data.
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I really don't understand the debate going on here. Tintin is an animated film. You don't actually believe that the characters depicted in the film are actual people do you .

Motion Capture has been in use since the late 70s. Why has this all of a sudden become a big issue?

The cast in this film, just like all other animated films, get a voice credit. The rules are quite clear.
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Nearly every animated film for the last 30 years had also used credits such as voices, voice talents of, etc. This film does not do so, evidently. I have to review it myself, but, to misrepresent the data is bad.
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So all cast in Beowulf and The Polar Express get marked with voice? Much cast in Avatar also just voice? Andy Serkins as Gollum or as Ceasar? (I think he was also just motion-captured in both movies)

Why should we make a difference for a cast-member of a completely animated movie and a cast-member for a mixed movie?
Just because of some wording in the rules? I really don't think this is as what of the "voice" flag is thought. And a really can't imagine it is thought it should be used like this.

Sad for the actors doing a great acting, but just getting a voice role in DVDP. 
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Nearly every animated film for the last 30 years had also used credits such as voices, voice talents of, etc. This film does not do so, evidently. I have to review it myself, but, to misrepresent the data is bad.


I just purchased the title last Friday and haven't seen it yet either. Don't know what the credits look like. But the rule is quite specific as far as animated films is concerned...cast get a voice credit. Until the wording in the rule is changed, I see no way around it.
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My big thing is misrepresenting  the data which this'd does BIG TIME.
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Why should we make a difference for a cast-member of a completely animated movie and a cast-member for a mixed movie?

You should make no distinction if the actor doesn't appear onscreen.

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For animated films or voice-only roles, use the "Voice" checkbox.

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My big thing is misrepresenting  the data which this'd does BIG TIME.


How is it misrepresented? The characters in the film are animated are they not? The actors supplied the voices for the characters in the film, did they not? Animation = Voice Credit. Cast List = Voice Credit. Whether or not the cast credits say Voices ot Voice Talents of, etc. is irrelevant. The film is animated not live action.
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The Problem is that with todays motion-captured movies the actors provide the live action too and this later gets animated, but the actual rules do not reflect this process. Instead of "For animated films or voice-only roles, use the "Voice" checkbox." the Contribution rule should be modified to "For voice-only roles use the "Voice" checkbox."
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