Welcome to the Invelos forums. Please read the forum rules before posting.

Read access to our public forums is open to everyone. To post messages, a free registration is required.

If you have an Invelos account, sign in to post.

    Invelos Forums->General: Website Discussion Page: 1 2  Previous   Next
Uncredited no longer showing up in CLT
Author Message
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCubbyUps
Registered: March 14, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 4,245
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
NVM
 Last edited: by CubbyUps
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 17,308
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Uncredited hasn't shown in the CLT for a very long time now. Matter of fact not since December 2008...

Quoting Ken Cole:
Quote:
Uncredited entries are no longer counted by the CLT for all future accepted profiles.  I'm running a pass through the existing profiles to update them but it will take some time to complete, several hours at least.


I agree with Ken's decision... the uncredited would do nothing but mess up the CLT totals.
Pete
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorscotthm
Registered: March 20, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
United States Posts: 2,845
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting CubbyUps:
Quote:
Perhaps it's something I missed, but it seems that uncredited cast members are no longer showing up in the CLT results.

"Uncredited" shouldn't show up in the "credit" lookup tool---they have no credit.

---------------
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
Alien with an attitude
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 13,198
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting CubbyUps:
Quote:
Now the problem is that if you search for Sally Field, this real life person's credit won't appear in the CLT because she's uncredited. Thus those that don't own said documentary has no idea that her birth year should be added.

Those that don't own the documentary don't need the BY, as they will only have the actor in their database, so I don't see the problem.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributordee1959jay
Registered: March 19, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Netherlands Posts: 6,014
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
That goes for ANY two actors with the same name, uncredited or not, as long as you have just one of them in your collection, so that argument has nothing to do with the OP's issuel
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantCalebAndCo
Ralphie shot first.
Registered: October 6, 2008
United States Posts: 1,932
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting scotthm:
Quote:
Quoting CubbyUps:
Quote:
Perhaps it's something I missed, but it seems that uncredited cast members are no longer showing up in the CLT results.

"Uncredited" shouldn't show up in the "credit" lookup tool---they have no credit.

---------------

^ This.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
Alien with an attitude
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 13,198
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting dee1959jay:
Quote:
That goes for ANY two actors with the same name, uncredited or not, as long as you have just one of them in your collection, so that argument has nothing to do with the OP's issuel

Except that he said it was a problem because people who didn't have one, wouldn't know that you needed a BY for the other.  For a person to know they need a BY they must A) know that there are two different people with the same name, and B) have both of those people in their database.  The CLT won't help them with either of those...unless you click on every single title listed for that actors name.  As I don't believe the average user is going to do that, I don't believe the OP's issue is with the CLT.

That being said, when you enter a name in the CLT, the results say ""Actor Name" is credited in the following # titles."  Since uncredited actors, by definition, aren't credited in anything, they should not be included.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCubbyUps
Registered: March 14, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 4,245
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
NVM
 Last edited: by CubbyUps
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
Alien with an attitude
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 13,198
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting CubbyUps:
Quote:
So in my example of Sally Field, then if I owned the documentary and have dvds with the actress, that since the real life Sally Field doesn't show up in the CLT that a BY for the actress can't be contributed because it doesn't show up in the CLT.

I am not sure what the CLT has to do with contributing BYs so this bit confuses me.
Quote:
I mean how are voters going to know that her BY is needed when they go look up her name in the CLT and just see the actress.

If uncredited were allowed in the CLT, all the CLT would show is that there is a person by that name in that documentary.  It would not let anybody know that it was a different person as the CLT doesn't say 'Sally Field (actress)' and 'Sally Field (real person)'.  All the CLT would show is, ""Sally Field" is credited in the following 188 titles (590 profiles)."  There is nothing to indicate that there may be more than one Sally Field.
Quote:
Sure I could put in the notes which UPC# the uncredited real life SF appears, but doesn't that mean that either the voters has to take a contributors notes on blind faith since the CLT is worthless in this case or really asking the voters to download that specific profile to actually verify that an Uncredited SF appears in said documentary.

Unless they actually watch the documentary, and see that it is a different person by that name in the documentary, yes, they are going to have to take the contributors word for it as the CLT doesn't tell them that it is a different person...which is the reason the BY is needed.
Quote:
What about adding a check box feature to the CLT that would allow Uncredited cast to appear to verify more easily for voters to verify a contributors notes.
These uncredited cast profiles wouldn't be added into any numbers and thus wouldn't screw up the CLT results.

And does screeners have access to Uncredited cast to verify a contributors notes about uncredited cast in a specific profile on the CLT or some other tool they use?

The CLT serves one function, and one function only, to determine the most commonly credited form of an actors name.  I don't know why the screeners, or voters, would use this for anything other than that purpose. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
 Last edited: by TheMadMartian
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
Alien with an attitude
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 13,198
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting CubbyUps:
Quote:
Let's say that a real life person appears in a documentary whose name is Sally Field. Since this real life person isn't credited she gets entered as Uncredited.

Quick question, if she is a real life person, and is not credited, how do you know here name?
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCubbyUps
Registered: March 14, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 4,245
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
NVM
 Last edited: by CubbyUps
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCubbyUps
Registered: March 14, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 4,245
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
NVM
 Last edited: by CubbyUps
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributordee1959jay
Registered: March 19, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Netherlands Posts: 6,014
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting CubbyUps:
Quote:
Many times times during a documentary they will flash a person's name beneath them while being interviewed.

Because these real life people aren't listed in either the opening or ending credits they can't be credited per the rules and must be entered as Uncredited. That's how I read the rules.


And that's where I think you're wrong. If an interviewee is identified through captions or even orally, I'd still say they're credited. This issue has been discussed extensively here,
here and
here
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 17,308
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Yeah... sounds like to me she is credited. A non-standard credit... but credited all the same. I done some documentary contributions... and never marked these as uncredited.
Pete
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCubbyUps
Registered: March 14, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 4,245
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
NVM
 Last edited: by CubbyUps
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorNexus the Sixth
Contributor since 2002
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Sweden Posts: 3,188
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting CubbyUps:
Quote:
Has Ken ever chimed in on the subject?

If not, then it's not an official ruling. Also in those topics it seems that there is no clear decision on the matter.

The rules needs to be updated in regards to this in regards to uncredited people in documentaries and other similar programs that are shown with an onscreen credit when interviewed or shown on screen.


They can't be uncredited if they are shown with an on-screen credit. However, I agree that some of the rules are unfortunate, for example:
"If a film has no end credits, but does have actors credited elsewhere, enter the actors from those credits."
This of course puts us in trouble when the film has end credits AND actors credited elsewhere, like in the middle of a documentary. Should they be entered at all, and if so where? The rules don't say so we're left with opinions, but of course this is nothing new...
First registered: February 15, 2002
    Invelos Forums->General: Website Discussion Page: 1 2  Previous   Next