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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDarknite
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Looking to find out if we add Location Crew or 2nd Unit crew
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No.

The rules say:
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Do not enter unit crew such as "Unit Photographer"
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Looking to find out if we add Location Crew or 2nd Unit crew

We do no add unit crew.  Location crew, however, is not the same thing as unit crew.

Just so there is no mistake, all crew are unit crew, so the rule can't be taken at face value.

The main or first unit does the principle shooting with the main actors.
The 2nd unit will film everything else...stunt sequences with stuntmen, establishing shots, inserts, background shots, scenery.  Basically anything that doesn't involve the principle cast.

The location crew, or location unit, is the main unit on location, usually in a different country.  These crew can vary from location to location because it is cheaper to hire local talent, rather than fly in your whole main crew.

Some people want to leave them out or even remove them from profiles.  I will always enter them.
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I am probably the one bringing the Darknite out into the light. I have been entering location crew for some time now...not 2nd and 3rd unit crew...and they have been approved. Some times even the locations have 2nd and 3rd units, but I don't add them either, just the main location crews.
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Just so there is no mistake, all crew are unit crew, so the rule can't be taken at face value.

The main or first unit does the principle shooting with the main actors.
The 2nd unit will film everything else...stunt sequences with stuntmen, establishing shots, inserts, background shots, scenery.  Basically anything that doesn't involve the principle cast.

That is clear to me. But ... doesn't what you just wrote also mean that Visual Effect crews for external companies are also unit crews, comparable to 2nd unit crews? They don't do principal shooting, so why do they get added?
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That is clear to me. But ... doesn't what you just wrote also mean that Visual Effect crews for external companies are also unit crews, comparable to 2nd unit crews? They don't do principal shooting, so why do they get added?

Because they seem to have a lobby around here. Most of the new credits added to the arts section lately are not usefull in my eyes...

We have ton's of art and sound credits but leave out realy important persons like the casting director...

I don't have to understand the selection...
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Thanks, So Location crew is ok.
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Thanks, So Location crew is ok.

No, it's not - for the purposes of the online database that's unit crew as well. When Invelos was asked whether a group of credits under a "New York Crew" header was allowed, this was their answer.
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Thanks, So Location crew is ok.

No, it's not - for the purposes of the online database that's unit crew as well. When Invelos was asked whether a group of credits under a "New York Crew" header was allowed, this was their answer.


This has been an ongoing debate. T!M's link to notes that Gerri addresses UNIT Crew. She mentions nothing about Location Crew. And, as far as many, many community members are concerned they are two distinctly separate things.

Until Ken or Gerry specifically address Location Crew, and this has been requested numerous times, imho Location Crew ARE allowed.

Edit: I believe the film "Babel" is one example that helped clarify the difference for me.
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Thanks, So Location crew is ok.

No, it's not - for the purposes of the online database that's unit crew as well. When Invelos was asked whether a group of credits under a "New York Crew" header was allowed, this was their answer.



Please explain the whole statement (Do not enter unit crew such as "Unit Photographer")

Explain it as a whole statement, for I do not believe you can break apart the statement and explain the whole statement.

What is "Unit Photographer"  what is his job (explain his job in 2005, and whether that title has changed in 2015)

Why would "Unit Photographer" be included as an example, when that role is not included in the table.

Explain how the whole statement pertains directly to "location crew"

and finally, explain how Geri's statement applies.

You are the one that is so adamant against location crew, I would like you to explain your logic as to your decision.
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T!M's link to notes that Gerri addresses UNIT Crew. She mentions nothing about Location Crew.

The thread in which that statement was made, is called "Location Unit Credits". The question that she's answering, is specifically about crew under a "New York Crew" header. Yet it's not about location crew? Sorry, but it doesn't get any more specific than that, and I have no desire to rehash this any further, as we've all done it to death already. No matter how many times we go round the block - nothing will change. It's unfortunate, though: we're so often clamoring for input from Invelos, and one of the few times we actually get it, it doesn't seem to help at all... 
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As I read the rules, none of the Unit crew should be included.

"None of the Unit crew should be included."

Sorry, but it doesn't get any more specific than that.  No Unit crew.

I am not sure why anyone would want to eliminate location crew, especially when a quick internet search will tell you that 'Unit Crew' and 'Location Crew' are not the same thing. 
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Just so there is no mistake, all crew are unit crew, so the rule can't be taken at face value.

The main or first unit does the principle shooting with the main actors.
The 2nd unit will film everything else...stunt sequences with stuntmen, establishing shots, inserts, background shots, scenery.  Basically anything that doesn't involve the principle cast.

That is clear to me. But ... doesn't what you just wrote also mean that Visual Effect crews for external companies are also unit crews, comparable to 2nd unit crews? They don't do principal shooting, so why do they get added?

Because there is a Profiler credit dedicated to them.
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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Just so there is no mistake, all crew are unit crew, so the rule can't be taken at face value.

The main or first unit does the principle shooting with the main actors.
The 2nd unit will film everything else...stunt sequences with stuntmen, establishing shots, inserts, background shots, scenery.  Basically anything that doesn't involve the principle cast.

That is clear to me. But ... doesn't what you just wrote also mean that Visual Effect crews for external companies are also unit crews, comparable to 2nd unit crews? They don't do principal shooting, so why do they get added?

Because there is a Profiler credit dedicated to them.

There's a dedicated Profiler credit for 2nd unit visual effects? I must have missed that.
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quoting GSyren:
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Just so there is no mistake, all crew are unit crew, so the rule can't be taken at face value.

The main or first unit does the principle shooting with the main actors.
The 2nd unit will film everything else...stunt sequences with stuntmen, establishing shots, inserts, background shots, scenery.  Basically anything that doesn't involve the principle cast.

That is clear to me. But ... doesn't what you just wrote also mean that Visual Effect crews for external companies are also unit crews, comparable to 2nd unit crews? They don't do principal shooting, so why do they get added?

Because there is a Profiler credit dedicated to them.

There's a dedicated Profiler credit for 2nd unit visual effects? I must have missed that.


There isn't a credit for "Main Unit - Director" either, but no one has an issue with that credit...
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There's a dedicated Profiler credit for 2nd unit visual effects? I must have missed that.

I must have misunderstood your question.  There is no such thing as, or at least none that I am aware of, 2nd unit visual effects crew.  They are just visual effects crew.  Quite a few people wanted to track those credits, so it is now one we track.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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