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Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeKen Cole
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For new contributions (additions to the database), the contribution page will now allow the submitter the choice of whether to include the associated cast/crew.  This checkbox is on by default. 

Additionally, for new profiles as well as updated profiles, if cast/crew data is submitted, there is now a separate required field for the source of that data.
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This change does not seem to be active.
Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeKen Cole
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It was 100% active. For my account. 
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorDJ Doena
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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For new contributions (additions to the database), the contribution page will now allow the submitter the choice of whether to include the associated cast/crew.  This checkbox is on by default.




I always work with a secondary database. I backup the profiles from my prime and restore them in the secondary. Then I "clean" the profile and contribute it.

I don't have to do that now if I can uncheck cast & crew.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorhuskersports
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What if you're correcting cast and crew spellings? What notes do you put in the cast/crew box?
My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it!
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsamuelrichardscott
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What if you're correcting cast and crew spellings? What notes do you put in the cast/crew box?


"Correcting cast spelling as per credits"
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The edit screen does not show the additional comments...
List of common name threads - Headshots starting point
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What if you're correcting cast and crew spellings? What notes do you put in the cast/crew box?


"Correcting cast spelling as per credits"


So, I'm putting the same notes in twice?  Contribution box: Passsenger --> Passenger (role name) and Barrera --> Barre to match the disc credits.  Cast/crew box: Passsenger --> Passenger (role name) and Barrera --> Barre (cast name) to match the disc credits. Putting "Correcting cast spelling as per credits" would be explaining what I just typed. Is that what this cast/crew box is for?  Seems like double the work when you're contributing cast/crew. Also, if I'm changing a studio or overview or non-cast/crew info, that cast/crew box shows up on the contribution page anyway, even though I'm not changing cast or crew info.
My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it!
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With this additional field in effect for some days, I've built up an opinion on it: It is somewhat in between useless and contra-productive.
• Contributors, who docuement seriously, don't need an extra field to put in the same data.
• Contributors, who are lazy documenters, won't write more comments with a second field.
For both of them the second field is a practice lesson in copy'n'paste.

What would be improvements:

a) Documentation for source UPC/Disk-ID
There should be a check box I have copied data from another profile, which opens up a form to fill in UPC/Disc-ID, Location (my imagination creates a search button here) and a textual field to comment on, which data was copied. This form could be processed to provide a link to the contribution history of the source profile to the voters and screeners. - This would be a great help.

b) Details for amendments - already read it elsewhere, but important enough to steal the idea:
It would be usefull to have notes on each and every change. Yes, if I write each, I mean each change and not only each field. There could be a small button beside each change to open up a commentary line. For some of the changes there could be even more logic in behind:
- Credited as entries could provide additional buttons to document the current numbers from the CLT (could be filled in automatically) or a link field to the common name thread. Documentary links to Twitter, Facebook or whatever could be added to show the uppercase/lowercase spelling of the names...
- BY years could get a link into the BY thread - maybe this should be mandatory...
- Uncredited cast members should be documented either with a link to a documenting web page, a runtime code where the character appears on screen or a hint, where in featurette he/she is mentioned - this should definitly be mandatory for each uncredited cast member!
- CoO could be underlaid with a link to the production company
- Original songs need links to prove their origin
- Deleted information should be documented and copied over to the contribution history, to avoid flipping data in and out...
The list could be continued nearly endlessly and new ideas will grow over the time to be included...
The possibilty to document in detail, for sure, would encourage to track the detailed amendments - the data not only the contribution notes - within the contribution history. This would be way more data to store and the preparation of all this data to be human readable would be another issue. But it would be worth it.
List of common name threads - Headshots starting point
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With this additional field in effect for some days, I've built up an opinion on it: It is somewhat in between useless and contra-productive.
• Contributors, who docuement seriously, don't need an extra field to put in the same data.
• Contributors, who are lazy documenters, won't write more comments with a second field.
For both of them the second field is a practice lesson in copy'n'paste.

Indeed. Similarly, users who contributed IMDb-mined data while writing "from the credits" in their notes before, will undoubtedly keep doing so. I don't see how this field makes it any better: they'll just lie twice instead of once...

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Putting "Correcting cast spelling as per credits" would be explaining what I just typed. Is that what this cast/crew box is for?  Seems like double the work when you're contributing cast/crew. Also, if I'm changing a studio or overview or non-cast/crew info, that cast/crew box shows up on the contribution page anyway, even though I'm not changing cast or crew info.

This. I've also found the field bothersome when propagating a birth year or a common name: those are changes that do not require me to have the disc in hand, I'm not actually changing something from the credits. Yet I'm including cast and/or crew sections in my contribution, and I'm therefore required to fill this new field. Yet what do I put in it? "From the credits"? That wouldn't be true. "No changes", then?

As others have pointed out, this seems like unnecessary extra work for those of us who already properly documented where they got the data from. And for those who never did, I'm afraid it won't make much of a difference.
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Maybe you can add a link to a thread/post in case of a single BY or common name.

For multiple birth years and/or common names the single line is not enough in my opinion and therefor I agree with the last posts.
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Maybe you can add a link to a thread/post in case of a single BY or common name.

Sure, but I'm already documenting that in the regular contribution notes field - which remains a required field to fill as well. So I still have to somehow say the same thing twice.

I'll give an example. I've just done a contribution where I contributed the birth year for William Baldwin to a profile, and I wrote the following as my contribution notes:

Propagating the previously accepted birth year for William Baldwin, as documented in the forum's pinned "List of Accepted Birth Years with Documentation"-thread right here.

So why am I now required to fill the "Cast/Crew from" field as well, hoe does that help? I can write "from the credits", but that would be a lie. I ended up writing something along the lines of "No changes" - will that be acceptable? And if so: what's the use?
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Maybe you can add a link to a thread/post in case of a single BY or common name.

For multiple birth years and/or common names the single line is not enough in my opinion and therefor I agree with the last posts.

In fact, you can add a very long line... But the suggestion of the small space for cast/crew vs. the large field for the remaining data does not reflect my understanding of the importance of the contribution notes nor it reflects my own contribution notes, where nearly 90% of the space is consumed with cast & crew documentation...
List of common name threads - Headshots starting point
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so for the seperate cast/crew field is it acceptable to put "from end credits"? this is what i use when im submitting cast and crew info.
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All I can say is that I find this new field highly annoying—but most of all very confusing. It feels like we're being trolled or not taken seriously.

There's absolutely no need for it. Because a contribution will still depend on the data submitted along with sufficient notes.
Might as well write all notes in the new field instead of the main field. *smh*

This extra field makes a contribution much more tedious and provides no extra "safety" against bad contributions.

One of the worst additions since I started using the software. Or perhaps, the only bad addition...
Please, Ken, remove it.
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Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeKen Cole
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Unfortunately we receive a great number of contributions which include cast/crew and yet do not indicate the source, which have to be declined.  This field is designed to prevent that issue.

If the main contribution notes contain "cast", "crew", or "credits", then this field can be left blank.
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