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Scream Factory... why don't we enter it as a Media Company again?
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I know there was a topic around these parts somewhere at one point that discussed Scream Factory. The label that was created and run by Shout! Factory.

https://www.shoutfactory.com/collection/scream-factory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scream_Factory#Releases


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scream_Factory_releases

https://www.facebook.com/ScreamFactoryDVD/


http://www.imdb.com/company/co0383867?ref_=ttco_co_9

I can't find the topic. I do remember in that topic, someone said that Scream Factory was the exact equivalent to 20th Century Fox Film Noir Collection that had been released on DVD. They were both just a series of sorts. A banner. An Edition. And while, in my opinion that holds true for 20th Century Fox Film Noir... 20th Century Fox just took films they already owned the rights to and released these films under this Edition and didn't really do anything else for them besides the packaging... I'm not sure it holds true for Scream Factory anymore.

They're up to hundreds of releases at this point. They specifically have acquisitions and marketing people specifically dedicated to Scream (always have). They produce a bunch of their own special features (always have). These special features also sometimes, if my memory serves, have the Scream Factory logo on them or credit Scream Factory. They have people that work on acquiring film materials to specifically release the films they do (always have).

The rules state:

The company(ies) responsible for the publishing (creating, assembling and ordering of the DVD/HD/BD content) and/or physical distribution of the media.

Isn't that what Scream Factory does? It's responsible for publishing... i.e. creating, assembling and ordering, of the BD content. Right?

Yes, it's a sub label of Shout! Factory. Absolutely. So Shout! Factory is the big company in all of it. Then they created this sub-label, Scream Factory, specifically to publish, create and assemble these physical media discs to release to the public, and then they do, all with Scream Factory's logo on them.

So if nothing else, Shout! Factory would be the distributor.

Scream Factory would be the publisher.

Publisher (Content) - Usually found as a logo on the bottom of the back cover or in the credit block, often containing the words "home video" or "home entertainment". Secondary publishers (eg. The Criterion Collection's Eclipse label) may also be listed.

It says right there, Secondary Publishers may also be listed... Isn't Scream Factory, if nothing else, a secondary publisher?

I'm going through my collection, and there's only four or five profiles left in my collection that still contain Scream Factory in the profile.

I was auditing one, and was removing Scream Factory (admittedly I've done this on probably at least a dozen profiles as at one point a couple years ago, the company was getting removed from all profiles... so I was just following along and saying "well, if it's getting removed on other profiles, it should be removed on this profile as well") and couldn't actually come up with a decent reason in the contribution notes to remove the label.

So someone help me out... Should Scream Factory be listed in the Media Companies section or not? It'd be nice if all of these releases could be consistent through out the system.


Thanks in advance for any help! 
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I know there was a topic around these parts somewhere at one point that discussed Scream Factory. The label that was created and run by Shout! Factory.


Not sure of the answer myself, but the only time I've seen it referred, doing a Google search, was this thread:

http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=805775&messageID=2527304
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I think the issue is that Scream Factory isn't a company at all. It's a label Shout! uses. It doesn't have employees or offices or a corporate charter or a website. Shout! Factory employees work on things that are given a special label if the genre fits.
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I know there was a topic around these parts somewhere at one point that discussed Scream Factory. The label that was created and run by Shout! Factory.


Not sure of the answer myself, but the only time I've seen it referred, doing a Google search, was this thread:

http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=805775&messageID=2527304


I found that one too, but I remember a topic specifically about Scream Factory. There was an opinion that Scream Factory was equivalent to 20th Century Fox Film Noir releases. That it was simply an Edition and should not be entered into the Media Companies section at all.

Subsequently, almost ALL profiles were edited to remove Scream Factory (I myself, again, admittedly removed it from maybe 10-12 as it was being done to all the other profiles so I was following suit and saying "if it's happening to one, it's got to happen to the others for consistency").

And now I can't find the thread....  but it happened. I actually think it was Sam who compared Scream to 20th Century Fox Film Noir (not "calling him out", he's like, one of my favorite people on here and there's nothing to call out, I'm just pretty certain it was him who made the argument that Scream shouldn't be entered because of that reason).

But that thread, if nothing else, would lead one to believe that if Arrow Academy is a sub-label, then Scream would be as well, no?
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I think the issue is that Scream Factory isn't a company at all. It's a label Shout! uses. It doesn't have employees or offices or a corporate charter or a website. Shout! Factory employees work on things that are given a special label if the genre fits.


So, it's a subsidiary of Shout! Factory, it's not it's own company, it's a label that Shout! Factory uses, but does that disqualify it? Does Eclipse from Criterion have it's own website? It's own corporate charter, offices? Legitimately asking because I don't know... everything I'm looking up for Eclipse is literally coming from Criterion websites and listed everywhere as simply a brand from Criterion, but we use that.

And Scream Factory, although not having it's own employees technically, does have a section of Shout! Factory's employees that work directly for acquiring films to release under the label, they have employees that work specifically for marketing Scream Factory releases. That work specifically towards producing special features for their releases (which specifically credit Scream Factory) such as interviews and documentaries. The logo appears on the beginning of all their releases letting people know it's a Scream Factory release.

If Shout! Factory uses Scream Factory as a sub label to acquire and release a specific set of films, and they have employees that work to acquire these films, they have employees that work to market Scream Factory releases, they place their label and brand on all their releases (packaging and content), they produce their own special features for these releases, they create (from the Scream Factory label itself) the product, they assemble the product and they ultimately, under Shout! Factory, release it as a product of Scream Factory...

Would that AT LEAST count as a secondary publisher? Which WOULD be entered as a Media Company?

It shouldn't matter if they have their own corporate charter, should it? Not if it meets the criteria we have set out: "The company(ies) responsible for the publishing (creating, assembling and ordering of the DVD/HD/BD content) and/or physical distribution of the media."

Which to me... Scream Factory absolutely meets. Am I looking at it wrong?
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So, it's a subsidiary of Shout! Factory, it's not it's own company, it's a label that Shout! Factory uses, but does that disqualify it? Does Eclipse from Criterion have it's own website? It's own corporate charter, offices? Legitimately asking because I don't know... everything I'm looking up for Eclipse is literally coming from Criterion websites and listed everywhere as simply a brand from Criterion, but we use that.


Since the rules allow for secondary publishers such as Criterion's Eclipse label I'd say, yes, Scream Factory should be allowed.

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Secondary publishers (e.g. The Criterion Collection's Eclipse label) may also be listed.


In this case, Scream Factory would be the publisher and Shout Factory the distributor.
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Yeah, once I sat down and actually took a look at it, that was my thinking as well.

You just said it in two lines while I took eighty nine paragraphs and a lot of babbling to say it... 
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I'll give the topic a few more days to sit and see if anyone responds, but I know the general number of responses has gone down drastically in the last few years around these parts.

Honestly, if no one else throws in their two cents, to me (and at least one other here), Scream Factory meets the criteria set out in the contribution rules as a Publisher, and Publishers are entered into the Media Companies section. So I'm going to start adding it back in.

I'm sure at THAT point there will be lots of opinions  . Maybe I'll do a test run and submit it to one or two of the most popular Scream titles and direct people towards this topic? Might get a bunch of thoughts on the topic that way.
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I say it should be listed as MC as well. Arrow Academy too.
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