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What's "Uncredited" Mean for Cast?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorSpikyCactus
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Hello.  I'm in need of wisdom and guidance this morning.

What actually are uncredited cast?  I've always assumed it means they're people in the main feature(s) in some way (ignoring issues relating to archive footage, doubles and modern special effects) who aren't credited on-screen at some point, but I can't find anything in the Rules that actually says anything like this.  If they're not named on-screen but are so on the sleeve, in a special feature or in an accompanying leaflet/booklet, do any of these examples make them uncredited?  If not, where do they have to come from to become uncredited?

I've seen lots of variations in where people seem to draw the line between credited and uncredited and I know I'm guilty of not being very consistent.  I know I've submitted cast in the past that haven't been named on-screen that I've not flagged as uncredited and these have been accepted.  (I've submitted a lot of cast details for several seasons of Spooks recently that have no on-screen credits, made it clear in the notes they came from a third party site (the BBC), not flagged any as uncredited and all have been accepted.)

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If they appear in the feature film (not in special features or only in deleted scenes), but are not credited in the cast on the disc, then the check box for Uncredited must be checked. Documentation varies, but some use "visual check by [contributor name here] and/or time stamp of the disc, or links to sources (like Daniel Craig for one of the Star Wars movies in which he was a stormtrooper). Hope this helps.
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Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it!
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As huskersports said, it's a box for someone who is in a film or TV show and is not in the opening and closing credits.

If you can provide documentation for their appearance when contributing, they should be added to the database. An example would be Robert De Niro in American Hustle playing Victor Tellegio. He isn't credited, but is's very clearly him. In this case, he goes at the end of the cast section with the 'uncredited' box checked. When I added, I provided a screenshot as evidence.

If there are several uncredited cast members, they are listed alphabetically by last name.
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Hello

Thanks to both of you.  That was my understanding as well.  I will endeavour to be more consistent with my own contributions in future.
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Further to the above, when you submit uncredited cast, you are asked to identify the source and the two options they give are another listing of the same movie, or spotting the actor yourself. You're not supposed to use other sources directly, though of course you can use such other sources to see where the actor is in the movie.

Where you can get away with other documentation is if you spot an actor in a movie but wish to back up your info somehow, e.g. providing a name. For example, for Blade Runner, there is a snake in the movie. When I submitted info on the snake, I used my knowledge of seeing the movie to confirm that the snake was in in, but the book Future Noir identified the snake specifically as Darling. So I was able to cite that as the source of Darling's name while still confirming that I personally saw Darling in the movie.
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We're contributing uncredited animals now?! 
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We're contributing uncredited animals now?! 


? Hell yes.  Too many animals play key roles in movies and don't get so much as a mention in the credits. It's so speciesist.  Just because they don't have good union representation or taste good in a burger...

PS I'm vegan so I'm allowed to say stuff like that.
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We're contributing uncredited animals now?! 

Trigger's first appearance is in The Adventures of Robin Hood, uncredited, as Marian's horse.  The earlier Roy Rogers films don't have an onscreen credit for Trigger either, he only gets screen credit in the later films.

I even had to add a birth year for Trigger (1932) because there are at least 4 other animals with screen credit in other films (a cat, 2 dogs, and another horse) .
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Iconic animals who appear in several films and are characters in the films such as Trigger, Asta in The Thin Man series (played by Skippy), or Uggie, who played Jack, the dog from The Artist should be in the credits because they are significant. I'm not sure the snake in Blade Runner is as noteworthy.
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You're not supposed to use other sources directly, though of course you can use such other sources to see where the actor is in the movie.


Except for: "If there are no credits, the film's official site may be used as a source."

The question then is if these actors taken from an offical source should be marked as uncredited.
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You're not supposed to use other sources directly, though of course you can use such other sources to see where the actor is in the movie.


Except for: "If there are no credits, the film's official site may be used as a source."

The question then is if these actors taken from an offical source should be marked as uncredited.


Yes, this is a good example where things feel a bit less clear.  I get the feeling people tend to not tick them as uncredited in these cases.
Do you ever find yourself striving for perfection with an almost worthless attempt at it?  Guttermouth "Lemon Water".  Also, I include in my Profiler database VHS tapes, audio DVDs, audio books (cassettes and CDs) and video games (disk based and digital), as well as films and TV I've bought digitally.  So I'm an anarchist, deal with it.  Just be thankful I don't include most of my records and CDs etc in it too; don't think I haven't been tempted...
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You're not supposed to use other sources directly, though of course you can use such other sources to see where the actor is in the movie.


Except for: "If there are no credits, the film's official site may be used as a source."

The question then is if these actors taken from an offical source should be marked as uncredited.


Yes, this is a good example where things feel a bit less clear.  I get the feeling people tend to not tick them as uncredited in these cases.

My thought process for compiling the cast list has been to include people who are credited on screen. If they are credited elsewhere, such as a website, then they are uncredited and submitted with that documentation.
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Iconic animals who appear in several films and are characters in the films such as Trigger, Asta in The Thin Man series (played by Skippy), or Uggie, who played Jack, the dog from The Artist should be in the credits because they are significant. I'm not sure the snake in Blade Runner is as noteworthy.


You may not think so, but when I submitted that last year, I got more upvotes than anything else I've ever submitted, and by a considerable margin; so Darling is apparently notable enough for Blade Runner fans. Lots of movies do include animals in the credits along with the rest of the cast, even if they play a minor role. One could even argue that due to animal training, some animals are actually acting to a greater degree than infants, who are also commonly listed in credits. Besides, notability isn't really a criteria or else lots of movies would have their entire cast removed due to everyone only appearing in one or two movies..
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Except for: "If there are no credits, the film's official site may be used as a source."

The question then is if these actors taken from an offical source should be marked as uncredited.

Yes, they should be marked as uncredited.  The referenced bullet point in the rules begins with the words, "If there are no credits", so by definition they would be uncredited.

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....and all have been accepted...

Just to clarify: The profiles can't be fully checked before acceptance. The screeners (and voters) can only check for obvious mistakes and rule breaks (which results in rejecting the contribution). But the opposite conclusion could not be drawn: an accepted profile need not to be valid and free of errors.

The responsibility for valid and valuable contributions is still carried by the contributor...
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