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We need Clarification On 'quotes', and not just voting will get it done. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,493 |
| Posted: | | | | I proposed this in the Contribution Rules Commitee /Possesive thread, but will re-post it here: Thanks to Telecine for the recent submission on this--- BUT WE are in a 'loop' on this, and I for one am pi**ed at this.. Problem is: I submit the two changes for 'quotes' for "Rebel Without A Cause" and "East of Eden",, They get voted down by a percentage %,, (in my case more than 75% ) contribution gets denied.. Fine. ( I submitted the contriibution to get clarification on this ) . But months ago somehow Skip's contribution for "Mister Roberts" got accepted, and Now with Telecine wanting to change this back to 'normal.., It won't get accepted because of the %percentage of votes ,, and it will get denied. Therefore of these three WB films of '54 and '55 vintage (I know of no other titles in realm of Warner Brother's mid 50's classic that have this type of cataloguing) Two will not have quotes and One will.. Hey no Fair.. We need a Ruling on this once and for all., This should not be put forth to voting on.., There has to be a satisfactory end to this dilemma.. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | It's simple, terry. The previous Contributions should not have been accepted. Per Hal9G, it's not a Rule until it is in the Rules, and the Forums at no level are Rules, now I have noted that hal is very convenient in this comment when it suits him he applies it vigorously, when it doesn't suit him he won't. The only person that can do this is Ken via a Rules change or addition.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | The last few lines of the overview read, " Mister Roberts has moments of unforgettable humor. But sadness tempers the comedy. No shot is fired. No blood is spilled. Yet Mister Roberts endures as one of our most truthful war sagas." If the title were, in fact, "Mister Roberts" the it would read, " "Mister Roberts" has moments of unforgettable humor. But sadness tempers the comedy. No shot is fired. No blood is spilled. Yet "Mister Roberts" endures as one of our most truthful war sagas. Common sense here people. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: The previous Contributions should not have been accepted. Aren't Ken and Gerri the final say on what should and shouldn't be accepted? If they accepted it, who are you to decide that it was wrong to do so? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote: But months ago somehow Skip's contribution for "Mister Roberts" got accepted, and Now with Telecine wanting to change this back to 'normal.., It won't get accepted because of the %percentage of votes ,, and it will get denied. Skip's contribution go accepted because it didn't go through the normal screening process. Had it gone up for vote, it probably wouldn't have gotten through. Question...why are you voting 'no'? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm confused here - where exactly are these quotes going? |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,911 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: I'm confused here - where exactly are these quotes going? In the title field. | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting pplchamp: Quote: Quoting northbloke:
Quote: I'm confused here - where exactly are these quotes going?
In the title field. You're kidding me? Somebody's entered Mister Roberts in the database as "Mister Roberts" ? That's just going too far - I have loads of films, mostly older ones, that have quotes around the title on the film, but I didn't think anyone seriously ever thought that they were part of the title! Of course they should be removed, and I'd really like to know the people's reasons for voting no on their removal. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,372 |
| Posted: | | | | cast your vote, let Invelos decide. @Terry - you say in your vote "WHY were both of mine voted down 90% last week??????????". To be clear, your contributions were not declined because of the votes, they were declined because Invelos thought they should be declined. Votes are a factor but we all know when it comes down to it Invelos makes the final decision no matter what the votes say. Hopefully they will decide this contribution is correct and it will get approved despite of the mixed vote (which at the moment is 60% to accept ) |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: You're kidding me? Somebody's entered Mister Roberts in the database as "Mister Roberts" ? Nope, not kidding you. I will give you three guesses as to who that somebody is but you will only need 1. Quote: That's just going too far - I have loads of films, mostly older ones, that have quotes around the title on the film, but I didn't think anyone seriously ever thought that they were part of the title! Of course they should be removed, and I'd really like to know the people's reasons for voting no on their removal. Ask and ye shall receive: It's not in the Rules til it;s in the Rules and the Forums are irrelevant no no no no no! the quotes are a part of the title.The quotes are definitely part of the title. I agree however theres little value. However, I haven't checked the actual film to see if there the same. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,372 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: [...] and I'd really like to know the people's reasons for voting no on their removal. Well you could add it to your collection and look, but if adding by title you won't find it under Mister Rogers. You will have to look for it under "Mister Rogers" (or have the substring filter on). |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,911 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote: Quoting northbloke:
Quote: [...] and I'd really like to know the people's reasons for voting no on their removal.
Well you could add it to your collection and look, but if adding by title you won't find it under Mister Rogers. You will have to look for it under "Mister Rogers" (or have the substring filter on). Ahem, that would be "Mister Roberts". I don't think he wants to be your neighbor though | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... | | | Last edited: by NewEnglander |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,372 |
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| Registered: April 5, 2007 | Posts: 17 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote: I submit the two changes for 'quotes' for "Rebel Without A Cause" and "East of Eden",, They get voted down by a percentage %,, (in my case more than 75% ) contribution gets denied.. Fine. Yep, fine by me too |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 951 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm having a hard time understanding this, your upset that Skip contributed Mister Roberts as "Mister Roberts" as the title. Yet when you tried to do the same thing "Rebel Without a Cause" and "East of Eden" the voters voted it down and the contribution got declined? | | | Are you local? This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 820 |
| Posted: | | | | In relation to titles, the rules state:
"Title Use the title from the film's credits.
Never add distinguishing factors to the title (such as "Widescreen" or "Special Edition"). Use the Edition field for these. Check capitalization of the title. For English titles do not capitalize joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. unless they are the first, last or only word in of the title. "Lord of the Rings" is correctly capitalized. "Lord Of The Rings" is not. "The Matrix Reloaded" is correctly capitalized. "The matrix reloaded" is not. For non-English titles, use capitalization rules common to the language of the title “Tout va bien” is correctly capitalized. “Tout Va Bien” is not If the title appears in multiple languages, use the title that matches the language of the locality and do not include an alternate title ( for instance in another language). Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break, e.g. "Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace". For music and stage performance DVDs, use the performer or group name followed by the DVD title, separated with a colon and space. For example: "U2: Rattle and Hum", "Ellen Degeneres: The Begining". Annual DVDs such WWE or NFL Films titles if the year is included it is part of the title and should not be included in the Descriptor field. For Example Title: Year. The title for a Box Set should be the title listed on the Front Cover; for example Alien Quadrilogy. "
It doesn't say anything in the rules about using quotation marks. I have bolded the use of quotation marks in the rule. No one would suggest that those titles should be recorded with quotation marks in the online database.
The rule says Use the title from the film's credits.. In my view, and that of many others, that means use the film credits but that the quotation marks are punctuation used to highlight the title and are not part of the title.
A rule change stating that users should not use quotation marks would make the matter clearer but I believe that my submission to change the title from "Mister Roberts" to Mister Roberts is well within the ambit and intent of the current rule. | | | Last edited: by Telecine |
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