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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Posts: 38 |
| Posted: | | | | ok, here's my problem. the Dark Shadows: The Beginning: Collections 1-6 dvds were initially not available in all stores and were initially only available by buying them through MPI Home Video's Dark Shadows dvd club. At that time, they had an MSRP of $54.98 (as mentioned here: http://www.darkshadowsdvd.com/dvda.html). At that time, no one knew whether or not these would ever be available any other way, so I got them this way. About a year later, MPI started releasing them, one every few months or so, as regular dvds in all stores (same UPC, exact same dvds), but with a higher MSRP of $59.98 to match the rest of their Dark Shadows sets.
"You’ll continue to receive a new Dark Shadows DVD Collection every other month at the retail price of $59.98 (5 total in a year). The Beginning Collections are discounted to only $54.98. After you have bought 5 Collections at the retail price, you will receive your 6th Collection for the year FREE!"
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"The Dark Shadows: The Beginning DVD Collection will be comprised of 6 total Collections ($54.98 each) with a new one being made available every other month beginning in early January 2007. They will solely be available to DVD Club members at that time as part of their normal membership installments."
So through the club, the dvds were available about 10 months earlier and at a lower SRP. The first two collections in profiler have the correct information (SRP and release date) since I originally created those profiles on the old profiler program. I was unable to make profiles for further releases (until now) because I was unable to upgrade to the new Profiler due to my really old computer. So during the past year, collections 1-4 have been released in regular stores, 5 is available for preorder, and 6 has not yet been announced. So, the current profiles for 3-5 have the later release dates and the later SRP.
So, now that I am able to use Profiler again (and I have had all 6 collections for quite some time), I submitted a new profile for collection 6 (which has not even been announced for release yet in all stores) and wanted to make all the profiles consistent with SRP and release dates. IMO, the rules are pretty clear on this subject, and despite explaining in my contribution notes about the original SRP and release dates (and providing the link above) I still got no votes from a member insisting that the current SRP and release dates on collections 3 and 4 are correct.
So my question to the forum is this: Which SRP and release dates should be used? The original ones from when the dvds were initially availabe from MPI only, or the later ones when the dvds became available everywhere?
From the rules:
"DVD Release Date Use the date when the DVD was first released for sale in its specific locality. Do not change the DVD Release Date if a release:
* Goes out of print and then is subsequently re-released using the same UPC. * Is recalled due to a production error and is subsequently re-released in a corrected version
The DVD Release Date is always the date of Original Release. "
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"SRP Use the SRP (Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price) at the time of the DVD’s original release using the currency type matching the locality of the DVD. Do not change the SRP in DVD Profiler to reflect reductions in SRP that distributors make in continually over time following release. Ensure the currency type matches the locality of the DVD. Do not make contributions with changes of a few cents/pence to the SRP." |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | Neither yourself nor the MPI Home Video site provide what you say are the actual release dates. We have nothing but what the retailers, including MPI Home Video, provide as the release date. I'm not doubting your word that you purchased the Collections through the MPI Home Video DVD Club but without some sort of documentation supprting the new release dates, I cannot vote yes to the change. | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Posts: 38 |
| Posted: | | | | So you prefer the release date you can see in print even though you know it is wrong? |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Posts: 38 |
| Posted: | | | | As I posted in private message:
"As far as I know the release dates never appeared in any permanent way on the MPI website (it would often mention the expected ship date of the next collection, but now that they are all finished, that information no longer appears)...so while I was without Profiler for the past year, I wrote down the release dates to keep track of them." |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Posts: 38 |
| Posted: | | | | Some proof that these releases started as early as Feb 2007: (although the first one ended up being released earlier in Jan)
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Dark-Shadows/5562 http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Dark-Shadows/6004 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting garmonbozia: Quote: Some proof that these releases started as early as Feb 2007: (although the first one ended up being released earlier in Jan)
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Dark-Shadows/5562 http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Dark-Shadows/6004 Now...you see? That's all I was asking for. You could have provided this information in our PMs. There was no need to bring this into the forums. Please update your contribution notes with this new info and links and I will gladly change my votes . | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,796 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote: Quoting garmonbozia:
Quote: Some proof that these releases started as early as Feb 2007: (although the first one ended up being released earlier in Jan)
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Dark-Shadows/5562 http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Dark-Shadows/6004
Now...you see? That's all I was asking for. You could have provided this information in our PMs. There was no need to bring this into the forums. Please update your contribution notes with this new info and links and I will gladly change my votes . I have been to the site in question I never paid much attention the club end of it. As I don't like automatic shipments, pre-orders okay. As someone who provided the some the initial profiles these sets, I agreee with Max. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own. Ineptocracy, You got to love it. "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Posts: 38 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Now...you see? That's all I was asking for. You could have provided this information in our PMs. There was no need to bring this into the forums. Please update your contribution notes with this new info and links and I will gladly change my votes . ok, done. I didn't mean for this to be a continuation of our PM discussion, I was looking for outside opinions from other forum members. sorry, didn't mean to offend. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Garmon:
Just for the record I would agee with 8Ball's assessmeny, MOST Video clubs I am familiar with provide limited information at best. For example, release date data is a real crap shoot, the only date you have is when you received it which works, until 8Ball provides data on his purchase which was two months prior to yours, then I provide mine and it was 6 months before 8Ball's and so on. The only "reliable" data is that which can be garnered through the stores. Another example, I have some of the Zorro sets from Disney Movie Club and I have absolutely no idea when they were released or at what SRP (if there was one), I know what I paid and when I received them.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Posts: 38 |
| Posted: | | | | I see what you are saying about clubs in general, but it's a different scenario in this case. These releases had a definite release week which was mentioned on the website and also emails went out announcing that the next set was finished and when it would ship (unfortunately i no longer have those emails). |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | I have an issue with your change in SRP. The website states that the SRP is $59.98 but you are changing the SRP to $54.98. The discounted club member price of $54.98 is not the SRP. As a club member you paid a discounted price but that does not change the fact that the official SRP is the higher price of $59.98. | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Posts: 38 |
| Posted: | | | | When joining the dvd club you could pick to start with any collection (anywhere with the regular 1-26 collections, or with the beginning collection 1-6). the regular collection had an MSRP of 59.98 and the beginning collection had an msrp of 54.98 (because they contain fewer episodes). MPI's page just says it in a confusing way I guess. When MPI decided to release them in stores, they raised the SRP to 59.98 (to make more money, because other retailers discount that price, to match the other ones available in stores...I don't know). MPI always charged full SRP price for their dvd club, their only discount was to give you the 6th dvd free. Also, that's a new page for MPI. The original page to join the club did not use that language. I guess I am having these problems because the original information is no longer available on the website, but I know what it said and what is correct, I just unfortunately cannot supply a link to the original information. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,414 |
| Posted: | | | | Try the Internet Wayback Machine. | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | One can often get DVDs from the distributor (in this case through a DVD club) before the official "release" date. That doesn't mean that the "official release date" is wrong. I have recently gotten DVDs from Legend Video (Serial and Baby It's You, for example) early in June while the "official" release dates were July 1, 2008. That doesn't mean I should use the June date in Profiler. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
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