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Is the voting system unfair? |
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Registered: April 10, 2007 | Posts: 51 |
| Posted: | | | | Hi all,
I've only been an Unlimited user for 2 months, but must admit in that time I have found the whole contribution voting system incredibly unfair.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but it appears that 1 no vote, regardless of the number of yes votes, will mean the contribution is declined.
This isn't how voting works. If substantially more people vote yes than no, the contribution should be accepted. If the numbers are getting on for equal, then maybe the comments should start to be taken into account.
I would like to use a current, open, contribution of mine for a Brokeback Mountain cover scan. It currently has 5 yes votes, 1 no, and I'm already pretty sure it's going to be declined. The fact is, in a fair voting system, I should be more sure it's going to be accepted.
I'm just interested in knowing if anybody agrees with me? |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 467 |
| Posted: | | | | Dear,
In fact the voting system is just to help and give an idea to the screener of Invelos the feeling of users about the contribution. So the last word is always for the Invelos's screener to accept or decline a contribution. You could have 25 YES, 0 NO and the contribution could be rejected because the screener find an error (cast/crew from a third party database, cover not really better than the existing, ...).
So the result of the vote is never the final result for the acceptance/rejection of the contribution. | | | Regards Cyrille |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | The voting system is NOT based on the number of Yes votes per se. It is based upon the RULES, if a user sees something that you need to fix and you choose not to because of Yes votes then it deserves to be declined. If you follow the Rules and pay attention to No votes and what they are saying then it will be better for you. It is not about your Contribution being popular, it is about it being correct and accurate against our system.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Our votes are just advisory to Invelos. It's their decision. They've declined unanimous 'yes' votes (usually subjective cover scans). They have also stated that a 'no' vote doesn't necessarily mean there will be a decline while at the same time, a well-worded 'no' vote can bring their attention to something that they should consider, in spite of the overall vote. I've had many, many contributions approved over a single 'no' vote.
Cover scans are subjective and have to pass a level of significant improvement. It's important if you intend to replace an existing cover scan to state in your notes why you think your image is a significant improvement. Specifically noting an area of your image that's more clear or the right color can improve your chances for approval.
If you feel that your contribution was declined unfairly, you can bring the details here to the forum and there are many users who will help you. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | I have to agree with Skip on this. The contribution must follow the rules, the number of vote receive is not important since not all the voters know them (this is really evident sometimes). | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | YES, it's fair.
I agree with everyone above who says that the voting system is - and should be - only a means to tell the screeners whether the contribution is good or not. To this end, the NO votes are really more important because they can alert the screeners to errors in the contribution which should not make it into the online database. I know I have frequently voted YES to a contribution, been in the majority, only to have someone else notice some major error in the profile. This happens because I do not validate every element of the contribution personally. If I were to do THAT, I might as well do the profile completely on my own and not bother with the online profile. So it makes no difference to me if there are 100 YES votes and only 1 NO one - if the NO vote is correct, the contribution SHOULD be declined. (Same think could happen with 100 YES votes an 0 NO votes, by the way).
What's important is how correct the contributed profile is - not how popular it is. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 | | | Last edited: by kdh1949 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | The voting system is not set up as a democracy where most number of votes win (except in U.S. presidential elections ). A single "no" vote could be an indication that that person alone noticed an error in the profile being contributed. To be honest, it is a rare user that actually checks every piece of data that is being contributed for accuracy. Many people vote yes without checking all the data (and I'm not suggesting that we need to do that all the time). They may "trust" the contributor, or they may "spot check" when voting. Someone that votes no usually spotted something questionable and that raises a flag for the screeners. As stated by others, images are very subjective, but the standard has been set by Invelos that they need to be a "significant improvement". Just how that standard is measured is anyone's guess, but size of the image and clarity would certainly be two that would be easy to distinguish. Beyond that, it is somewhat subjective,. I have begun to only submit images that are clearly superior or when their is no image at all. | | | Hal |
| Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,665 |
| Posted: | | | | Everyone above is correct. Votes are not the final word, the screeners are.
And note that the screeners will often disapprove (and decline) a scan but approve (and release) the profile updates. I've had this happen more than once.
If i have (purely subjective) "no" votes on a scan but no objection to the profile itself i don't even worry about those "no" votes. You can't satisfy everyone all the time so i let the screeners be the final arbiter.
If on the other hand the scan is objectively wrong (a re-release with subtle differences in the Overview text for example) i fix or remove the submission.
Sometimes a "no" vote on profile data can be fixed with an update of the contribution notes (and perhaps a PM to the voter). If you can't get the vote reversed you might be able to use an update to respond to it.
The more references you provide in support of the data you are updating the better the chances of being approved, regardless of the vote. | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! | | | Last edited: by tweeter |
| Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,807 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree with the others. Your contribution can be declined even if nobody votes No, if it's against the Rules. On the other hand it can be accepted notwithstanding a majority of No votes, if the Screeners agree with you and disagree from the No voters. However, if a contribution of yours is declined but you really feel it should have been approved (because it *was* per the Rules, you stated reference sources, your data was actually correct, etc.), then you can drop a private message (PM) to Gerri asking for the reason of it being declined, or provide more explanation if you think something was overlooked. Before that, you also can PM the No voters and *kindly* ask for their advice, in order to understand what exactly they think you did wrong and how it can be bettered. You can even withdraw a contribution and resubmit it after corrections, or you can edit and update your contribution note and add the missing information: for instance, add the source for cast and crew if missing, id est where you took those data from. As to image scans, keep in mind that they must be a significant improvement , and that sometimes opinions on image quality can vary from person to person, so be patient. | | | -- Enry | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 467 |
| Posted: | | | | Yes of course NO vote is more important than a YES vote. It should be indicate there are some errors in the contribution to correct and recontribute. Normally if there is at lest one NO vote, the contribute should have to be rejected but sometime the NO vote isn't documented or for something wrong too. | | | Regards Cyrille |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | The new feature that lets you edit your contribution notes as long as it's still pending is also very helpful to address any no-votes that you feel are "incorrect". If this happens, you can edit your note with a specific clarification concerning the issue(s) raised by the no-voter. This way, the screeners get to see both opinions on the matter, which may help them in deciding which way to go... |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
You can even withdraw a contribution and resubmit it after corrections, or you can edit and update your contribution note and add the missing information This is what I do when it's obvious that one of my contribution have something wrong. By exemple my last contribution was the first season of Charmed, one hour or so later the the vote count was 1Y-3N. The "no" was justified, so I've withdrawn, make the necessary corection and resubmit it. It's very important to read the comment leave by the voters, usually their right. |
| Registered: March 10, 2007 | Posts: 524 |
| Posted: | | | | It is important to remember that the contribution votes are there to help the screeners. It is not a "majority rules" kind of voting system.
If you have specific questions about contributions that have been declined, discussing it here in the forums can be a help.
If a contribution gets 1 no vote, it by no means ensures that it will get declined. It depends on many things. Someone suggested that you alter your contribution notes if you get a No vote. This is very good advice.
Also keep in mind with scans, it has to be a significant difference in the scan to be approved. In your contribution notes, be specific about what makes this image better. Point out items in the scan that the screeners can see the differences in.
-Gerri | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
| Registered: May 14, 2007 | Posts: 455 |
| Posted: | | | | Looks like the Boss Lady has spoken. end of tread. "say good night Gracie". |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Good night, Gracie. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: May 25, 2007 | Posts: 176 |
| Posted: | | | | One of my recent contributions had 2 "no"s and 1 "yes". It was accepted.
As others have said, getting "no" votes means there's probabpy a good reason for it to be rejected. But sometimes people vote the wrong way (misinterpret the rules, misread your notes, are jerks), and their votes cannot be more than advisory. |
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