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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,005 |
| | Posted: | | | | The vote for Austin Powers with the result 16:1 wasn't enough as a signal how the majority favors it, Martin?  Here my reasons why it makes sense to check the voice-only flag for all voice-only roles: 1) Even for "clear" cases like "Voice of ..." doesn't necessarily mean that it is obvious to everyone (e.g. it is in an foreign language). 2) The voice-only flag information is available to the plugin interface (therefore not redundant) 3) The voice-only flag information is exported to XML (therefore not redundant) 4) It is a consistent handling without the necessity for a rules exception | | | 
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| Registered: March 24, 2007 |  Posts: 240 |
| | Posted: | | | | They want the checkbox for animation. I would like to see you find something more obvious/redundant then that.
So you have to use it for all voice only roles. | | | | Tom. |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
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It would be okay to use "The Voice of Bob" and tick the Voice Box (resulting in The Voice of Bob (voice)).
But if the on screen credit were Bob (voice) it seem to me that you could easily drop (voice) from the role and let the checked Voice Box cover it. So instead of Bob (voice)(voice) the result would be Bob (voice).
To Tim: This is what I was thinking of when I posted that last message. I stand corrected! Of course, I agree with this completely. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sigh... Seeing the poll results I think I just have to ignore all the "(voice)" suffix contributions which will drop in on obvious places and it will be one other thing that will hold me from contributing credits to the online database, because I'm not going to add them beforehand if these have been accepted. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,005 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
Personally I think the "(voice)" suffix should not be appended if roles give us a clear indication when they are vocal only like "Additional Voices", "Narrator" or "Voice of ..." I just had to bring up this topic again. I just watched "Ella Enchanted". Here Eric Idle is credited as "Narrator". According to your thinking, it is now obvious that is a voice-only role and it would be redundant to have the "voice" checkbox checked. But in this movie, the narrator is seen on-screen! Another point for using the checkbox every time it is a voice-only role. | | |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | OK, maybe a narrator can be an exception in some cases, but I really don't see the point of adding a suffix behind cast roles where the word voice is already used. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here's the deal. We had the discussion, during the development phase with Ken and he said...use the checkbox. Question answered. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 630 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
OK, maybe a narrator can be an exception in some cases, but I really don't see the point of adding a suffix behind cast roles where the word voice is already used. Then you are not considering the difference between data and the current representation of the data you are looking at. By setting the Voice checkbox you are not adding a suffix to the role. You are adding metadata to the role. The current view you use then choose to render a suffix based on this metadata, but that view might change tomorrow - and even if it didn't that specific view is not the only way to access the data (skins, reports, and obviously XML export where you can do anything). If you do not like the way the default view render the data, what about making a feature request to get it changed? Basically omitting the "voice" checkbox works in one single usecase: Viewing the data though DVD Profilers default view for DVD's where you understand the language of the credits. We are not all as restricted in our use of the data.  | | | Regards
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | As Lars said, the Voice checkbox gives valuable data that could be used in the future to filter on Voice roles in reports and layouts, so that's one more good reason to enter it anyway.
As to the representation of that data, I would fancy the icon of a mike, or some other image, rather than the word "Voice" itself, which can lead someone to incorrectly assume they should leave blank the Voice checkbox when the word "Voice" is in the role name too. | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 51 |
| | Posted: | | | | Since Ken changed recently the rules on the quiet from "For animated films, use the "Voice" checkbox." to "For animated films or voice-only roles, use the "Voice" checkbox. " it should be obvious to use the check-box for every voice-only role whatever the role-description is.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Speedy666: Quote:
Since Ken changed recently the rules on the quiet from "For animated films, use the "Voice" checkbox." to "For animated films or voice-only roles, use the "Voice" checkbox. " it should be obvious to use the check-box for every voice-only role whatever the role-description is.
mfg Speedy I agree 100% | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,005 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ah,OK,Tom But asI said, more to the point and the only point...Ken wants it. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TomGaines: Quote:
Just to make it clear: I never meant to restart the discussion, if the check-box should be checked or not (this is clear from the rules and usability stand-point). I just wanted to provide another example for those, who still do not believe this to be the correct way, that it is the only consistant and logical approach. The rules are very clear for me, but that does not change the fact I have to agree with everything they say. I just judge the information I see on screen and if it's pretty obvious to me that a role is voice only, I personally do not see the need to label it as such. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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