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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
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just following what the Rules say, which despite what my friend Unicus said, I don['t find them confusing or poorly worded there are SIX very clear words "Do not contribute uncredited crew members"
Further the Rules also state:
"For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Film Credits to Include" column. If someone is not credited with one of these roles, do not include them in the Crew section. "
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Show me the "Film Credits to Include" column.  You can't because there isn't one. The rules tell us to use a comumn that doesn't exist. Because of that, the rule isn't worded well.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,946 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ok, Thanks for the clarification, I will verify my latest Disney contributions (R2 Netherlands locality). I did a full verification of a lot of the profiles and incorrectly assumed Walt Disney was the producer based on the credit "A Walt Disney Production". I will re-verify to see to which profiles I added the credit, and remove it. Thanks for the clarification guys  | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
Chris |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
Quote:
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just following what the Rules say, which despite what my friend Unicus said, I don['t find them confusing or poorly worded there are SIX very clear words "Do not contribute uncredited crew members"
Further the Rules also state:
"For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Film Credits to Include" column. If someone is not credited with one of these roles, do not include them in the Crew section. "
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Show me the "Film Credits to Include" column.
You can't because there isn't one. The rules tell us to use a comumn that doesn't exist. Because of that, the rule isn't worded well. Ummmm, Unicus. Credits table has existed for three years, Why is it I have no problem understanding this stuff. If I look at the Credits Table there is no Production listed nor is there any Presents. I have said before that I don't consider my reading, comprehension or intelligence to be any better tha anyone else's...but sometimes I REALLY do wonder. I think this stems from two likely areas. Instead of reading the Rules as a whole, some people like to try and break them up into individual sentences or even phrases in order to create foggy meanings, I also recall numerous times where I would have included specific wordage relative to let's say third party databases and others would say we is that really necessary to keep repeating that, we mentioned it here, the answer now I think is obvious, YES we should have repeated things often and whenever necessary. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Ummmm, Unicus. Credits table has existed for three years, Why is it I have no problem understanding this stuff. If I look at the Credits Table there is no Production listed nor is there any Presents. I have said before that I don't consider my reading, comprehension or intelligence to be any better tha anyone else's...but sometimes I REALLY do wonder. Why is it so hard for YOU to understand that if someone reads the rule that says include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Film Credits to Include" column he might be more than a little confused when there is no "Film Credits to Include" column like Unicus points out? Not everyone was as involved in the creation of the rules as you were, Skip. If someone tells me to use information in Column A, I naturally assume there IS a Column A. If no such column exists, I might have a problem understanding WHAT I'm supposed to use. It's not that difficult to see that the rules are misleading here. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 663 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | We're on a mission from God.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Ummmm, Unicus. Credits table has existed for three years, Why is it I have no problem understanding this stuff.
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Did I say I didn't understand it? I understand it completely, as I am sure most people in the forums do. The problem with the rule is it tells us we can only enter people who are credited with the roles listed in the "Film Credits to Include" column. As I said before, there is no such column. Yes, there is a crew table. Yes, that table has five columns. No, that table does not have a column titled "Film Credits to Include". The rule tells us to use a column that does not exist. The fact that I, or you or anybody else, understands what the rule means does not change the fact that it is not written well. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
Quote:
Ummmm, Unicus. Credits table has existed for three years, Why is it I have no problem understanding this stuff.
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Did I say I didn't understand it? I understand it completely, as I am sure most people in the forums do. The problem with the rule is it tells us we can only enter people who are credited with the roles listed in the "Film Credits to Include" column.
As I said before, there is no such column. Yes, there is a crew table. Yes, that table has five columns. No, that table does not have a column titled "Film Credits to Include".
The rule tells us to use a column that does not exist. The fact that I, or you or anybody else, understands what the rule means does not change the fact that it is not written well. But the table is perfectly clear - it has a column you are not to include - so the other one is the roles to include. The fact that there isn't a row header is irrelevant when human beings are reading it. It should be assumed that they would be better than monkeys at reading. And understanding a table. If they can't then they shouldn't contribute because they are too stupid. | | | | Paul |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | ^5 Pauls, well said. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 681 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm sure everyone hear understands that when the rules talk about the column, actually the table is meant. No problems there, but it goes without saying that there is no reason whatsoever to have this inaccuracy not corrected once the rules are amended or otherwise edited next time. I don't think that pointing inaccurasies such as this to people who have been part of making the rules is just unnecessary nitpicking. Why not make the correction at some suitable point? Simple as that. I have one more wish for clarification  below: The rules say about cast that we have to enter it exactly as it is on screen, with one exception: "If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead". I would like that to be fine tuned to ""If the credit information is entirely capitalized or entirely in lower case, use standard capitalization rules instead". I am just in the process of contributing the Finnish release of "Woman on Top" (starring e.g. Penélope Cruz) where all the role names are completely in lower case, and it got me suspecting that surely there are DVDs out there where the credits are completely in lower case(?). Thankfully we can't even enter the cast names as completely lower case, because the program automatically replaces the lower case first letters with capitalized versions. But the thing is that I for one wouldn't like to see credits such as "Penélope Cruz [penélope cruz]" because of the above rule... Okay, sorry for off topic... maybe this should have been posted in the feature request subforum instead. I just enjoy nitpicking | | | Mika
I hate people who love me, and they hate me. (Bender Bending Rodriguez) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Draxen:
It becomes unnecessary nitpicking when a user is trying to take advantage of it or explot something for their OWN purpose, instead of understanding such things. I have NO control over such corrections, like you I can see them, and slap myself for not having caught it, but the editing is out of my hands. Were the editing up to me I would make such corrections much faster, and that is not being critical of Ken, he has his hands full under the best of conditions. ALL I can do is, what I always try to do, and that is to explain them. Which brings me back to my comment two posts ago.
You clearly seem to understand the intent, Draxen.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
But the table is perfectly clear - it has a column you are not to include - so the other one is the roles to include.
The fact that there isn't a row header is irrelevant when human beings are reading it. It should be assumed that they would be better than monkeys at reading. And understanding a table.
If they can't then they shouldn't contribute because they are too stupid. Please pay attention as I really don't want to explain this a third time. I never said the table wasn't clear. In fact, if you go back to my first post on this you will see that I said: The rule is clear, even though it isn't worded well, crew members must be credited with a role for us to enter them.Yes the table is, for the most part, quite clear. But I never said otherwise now did I? I was refering to the rule that directs the user to reference a column...which it refers to by name...that does not exist. Any rule that does that is poorly written. Please note, I am not trying to be rude here. I just want to make sure you understand that you are countering something I never said. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Draxen:
It becomes unnecessary nitpicking when a user is trying to take advantage of it or explot something for their OWN purpose, instead of understanding such things.
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But nobody was trying to do that. Kuju, who is from Finland so might not be as fluent in English as you are, simply asked for clarification so that he could understand these things. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | That is correct, and I think Kulju handled it exceptionally well. But I think you know I was speaking far more fenerally in that comment. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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